Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em
George it's seems to be the latest thing to blame the "old guard" for all the problems in RM, "dinosaurs" the latest description used in many posts as if we don't move with the times.
Bollocks i say, it's easy to point the finger at people who are on better conditions than other workers, the problem with that is it's not us "old guards" fault, the union agreed to this and then sold it to the workforce as a win, the two-tier workforce was not our doing and anyone joining since the agreement have signed up to this, again not our doing.
As for the training of newbies, it's always been a problem as most workplace coaches are useless (Not all of them) it usually ends up with some random postie getting that pleasure, and like everything in life some of them have little interest in helping. I have trained plenty in my time, i am not a coach but i never had a problem helping as in the long run it gave them a better chance of staying on and becoming a decent postie.
As for us being unwilling to change, unless you are a 20yr veteran you will have no idea how the job has changed in that time, we aren't as unflexible as you all think, we just don't allow ourselves to be walked over.
I'm ancient, moved today to clear one of my old duties as it hasn't been delivered for a week.
It's clear now.
I am in a way a dinosaur, I remember the duties I have been been on since I started all those years ago. They have changed, but I have the blueprint in my head and factor the rest.
Is that driver from Stockport okay? And this is the problem with royal mail new starters should get minimum of 6weeks on same walk to build confidence learn procedures etc.but no the old guard can't come off their walk to help because they are more senior and then when they get put with a new starter they say it's not my job to train them.np wonder newbies leave 2 tier workforce and senior dinosaur s who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em
George it's seems to be the latest thing to blame the "old guard" for all the problems in RM, "dinosaurs" the latest description used in many posts as if we don't move with the times.
Bollocks i say, it's easy to point the finger at people who are on better conditions than other workers, the problem with that is it's not us "old guards" fault, the union agreed to this and then sold it to the workforce as a win, the two-tier workforce was not our doing and anyone joining since the agreement have signed up to this, again not our doing.
As for the training of newbies, it's always been a problem as most workplace coaches are useless (Not all of them) it usually ends up with some random postie getting that pleasure, and like everything in life some of them have little interest in helping. I have trained plenty in my time, i am not a coach but i never had a problem helping as in the long run it gave them a better chance of staying on and becoming a decent postie.
As for us being unwilling to change, unless you are a 20yr veteran you will have no idea how the job has changed in that time, we aren't as unflexible as you all think, we just don't allow ourselves to be walked over.
I'm ancient, moved today to clear one of my old duties as it hasn't been delivered for a week.
It's clear now.
I am in a way a dinosaur, I remember the duties I have been been on since I started all those years ago. They have changed, but I have the blueprint in my head and factor the rest.
Hard to believe anybody could deliver a full weeks mail for a full duty in one, assuming it gets the usual two trays of mail on light days and four on the others then that's getting on for 20 trays of o/s mail to be delivered in one day. That's not including non tracked packets.
I don't when put on it deliver any , or many tracked items that don't fit a letterbox. I do take them where I know it's safe to drop.
I work with the actual duty holders to get it done. It's not my duty, although I know it best.
It's they who request I go in to clean it up.
I tie it up differently and take a little time to see where the majority of the work is and hit that first.
And I do this without a van. I'm a non driver, I use a HCT.
I don't when put on it deliver any , or many tracked items that don't fit a letterbox. I do take them where I know it's safe to drop.
I work with the actual duty holders to get it done. It's not my duty, although I know it best.
It's they who request I go in to clean it up.
I tie it up differently and take a little time to see where the majority of the work is and hit that first.
And I do this without a van. I'm a non driver, I use a HCT.
I'm sure I've heard that somewhere before.....
If you have a problem duty, If no one else can help clear it and if you can find him. Maybe you can hire, The Enskied
In MCs it's normally "Here's the work, here's the setup/frame/work area, get on with it". The only "Training" they seem to get is the basic H&S stuff. The have to learn everything as they go. Is it typically similar in DOs?
Yes. I'm not a WPC but I've been forced to train new starts as I'm on paired duty. I once worked with a new guy that didn't know how to use the PDA. They throw them in the deep end and hope they can somehow swim. It can be frustrating at times and I agree that they should be put on a fixed duty for at leats 6 months before being moved around the office. What this relies on is moving staff who are on fixed duties and many posties really don't want to. I would be quite happy to do it but this is where management should come in to try and ensure that this process is fair.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs
and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em
who want the best of both worlds but are unwilling to change.oahh your contract says you can be put on any walk anytime.managenent need to get tough with the dinosaurs 
and if unwilling to do a reasonable request punish em
