CWU reaffirm opposition to second referendum

[Tman]

You've reiterated your previous post there. I made no comment about "you shouldn't worry etc etc."
So can you give any valid reasoning why there would be a drugs shortage post No Deal Brexit?
Not interested in links to what others have parrotted over the years, but why you believe it.

[26l34]

“The organisation that negotiates drug pricing on behalf of pharmacies told BBC Radio 5 Live's Wake up to Money that Brexit is already affecting the supply and price of some key generic drugs.

“In response to the BBC Radio 5 Live story, there have been tweets from GPs, pharmacists and patients pointing to difficulties obtaining certain drugs.

“There is clearly a feeling that these problems go beyond the occasional supply issues seen in the system.”

I mean maybe these people know more than you (and I)? More relevant is surely the question of why folk should listen to *you* and not people in the industry? Again, you can dismiss this as tripe, but I think it’s incredibly easy if you’re not touched by this stuff to say ‘it’s just scaremongering’ without recognising why others less fortunate can’t afford to be so blasé. And more generally I always find it funny why remainers are constantly told to respect the often nonsense but apparently ‘legitimate’ concerns of leavers and yet anything offered up in return is dismissed so easily and crassly.

[Tman]

OK then. Leaving the flowery rhetoric aside, can you tell me "why" are these "shortages" are supposedly happening? Any theories?
Brexit hasn't happened yet in any shape or form; there's no reason why any of these drug supplies should have been disrupted, other than either BBC hearsay or artificially created "shortages".
So now we've got questions as to why the supplies of drugs is allegedly affected now, and why the drug supplies would be affected post-Brexit.
Nothing to do with "Remainer this" and "Leaver that" just a simple query on the logistics of drug supply now and in the future.
Simply, what has affected it and what is predicted (by some) to possibly affect it. Calais customs? Brussels? The drug companies? Westminster? Road blocks on the A2? What?

[postslippete]

I’m just tired of largely comfortable, 40+ white men (I’m talking on a general level now though given this is a forum for RM employees I’d be surprised if that wasn’t the profile of most Brexiters on here too) telling everyone else why it’s all going to be probably fine and even if it isn’t, well, so what.

Who said that most people who voted for Brexit were comfortable, 40+ white men??

According to the key findings by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (on Jrf.org.uk) it suggests that the poorest households with incomes less than £20k per annum were much more likely to support leaving the EU than the wealthiest and that includes the unemployed and people in low-skilled and manual occupations who felt that their situation has worsened. It goes on to suggest that the more affluent, highly-educated and diverse populations such as Islington, Edinburgh, Cambridge, Oxford and Richmond upon Thames gave some of the strongest support to remaining in the EU.

[RTP]

Leave it out will you.

His wife is poorly and he is worried.

[k979aaa]

OK then. Leaving the flowery rhetoric aside, can you tell me "why" are these "shortages" are supposedly happening? Any theories?
Brexit hasn't happened yet in any shape or form; there's no reason why any of these drug supplies should have been disrupted, other than either BBC hearsay or artificially created "shortages".
So now we've got questions as to why the supplies of drugs is allegedly affected now, and why the drug supplies would be affected post-Brexit.
Nothing to do with "Remainer this" and "Leaver that" just a simple query on the logistics of drug supply now and in the future.
Simply, what has affected it and what is predicted (by some) to possibly affect it. Calais customs? Brussels? The drug companies? Westminster? Road blocks on the A2? What?

It may not be the shortage of drugs but if the NHS will pay for them with tariffs added on or the devaluation in the pound non of which you can say is just speculation because as soon as the vote was announced the pound dropped by 20% and has and never will recover perhaps it will just drop 50% more when we leave and with 20% tariffs the cost of drugs that were affordable yesterday will be unaffordable tomorrow! Can these Idiots not see this the people who are really effected are those who have no other option for heath care provision but we will all pay a heavy price for some idiot in the Conservative party to say I delivered BREXIT.

[26l34]

Have read the JRF report ‘cause that’s how I get my kicks these days, it’s good but so’s this from the LSE:

“Another popular view that emerged is that Brexit was the unified response of the working class which finally found its long-lost voice. Yet subsequent, rigorous analysis showed that the profile of Brexit voters is more heterogeneous than initially thought, and that it includes voters with high education and ‘middle class’ jobs.

“Echoing what Joan Williams has stressed in her analysis of Trumpism, public debates discussing the popularity of populism amongst the working class in most cases refer to the impoverished middle class, rather than the poor and the left behind. Our argument is that, rather than representing the ‘left out’, Brexit was the voice of this intermediate class who are in a declining financial position. This category of voters represent a group of high sociological relevance also labeled as ‘the squeezed middle’.

“Self-assessment of class presents obvious limitations, but our findings become even more relevant if we consider that Britons tend to identify themselves as working class – even when holding middle class jobs. This analysis does not rule out the popularity of the Leave vote within particular working class communities, but it aims to show that the Leave vote is far from being the expression of a singular and conscious working class, as commentators assume. It instead confirms that the middle class support was very relevant to the Brexit outcome – perhaps the predominant group behind Brexit.”

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpoli ... ed-middle/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Woody Guthrie]

just a simple query on the logistics of drug supply now and in the future.
Simply, what has affected it and what is predicted (by some) to possibly affect it. Calais customs? Brussels? The drug companies? Westminster? Road blocks on the A2? What?

This is part of a n official government letter sent to the companies responsible for importing prescription medications.

Update to crossinvitation and funding for selected organisations has now Government planning assumptions In my previous letter I advised that the crossGovernment planning assumption about potential border delays would be subject to revisio n in light of future developments. Government departments have been working to design customs and other control arrangements at the UK border in a way which ensures goods can continue to flow into the country, and won’t be delayed by additional controls a nd checks. On the UK side this work is proceeding well, and we have been clear we will not impose additional controls and checks.

However, the UK Government does not have control over the checks which member states impose at the EU border. The European C ommission has made it clear that, in the event of a ‘no deal’ scenario, it will impose full third country controls on people and goods entering the EU from the UK. Whether this happens or not is in their hands, not ours. Although we cannot know exactly w checks on the EU border, the crosshat each member state will do with respect to Government planning assumptions have been revised so we can prepare for the potential impacts that the imposition of third country controls by member states could have. These impacts are likely to be felt mostly on the short straits crossings into Dover and Folkestone, where the frequent and closed loop nature of these mean that both exports and imports would be affected. The revised cross significantly Government planning assumptions show reduced access across the short that there will be straits, for up to six months.

The poor grammar is the government's not mine.

[Danelectro]

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[Danelectro]

“The organisation that negotiates drug pricing on behalf of pharmacies told BBC Radio 5 Live's Wake up to Money that Brexit is already affecting the supply and price of some key generic drugs.

“In response to the BBC Radio 5 Live story, there have been tweets from GPs, pharmacists and patients pointing to difficulties obtaining certain drugs.

“There is clearly a feeling that these problems go beyond the occasional supply issues seen in the system.”

I mean maybe these people know more than you (and I)? More relevant is surely the question of why folk should listen to *you* and not people in the industry? Again, you can dismiss this as tripe, but I think it’s incredibly easy if you’re not touched by this stuff to say ‘it’s just scaremongering’ without recognising why others less fortunate can’t afford to be so blasé. And more generally I always find it funny why remainers are constantly told to respect the often nonsense but apparently ‘legitimate’ concerns of leavers and yet anything offered up in return is dismissed so easily and crassly.

To try and make out that membership or non membership of the EU is fundamental to the cost of drug procurement is exaggeration on stilts.

As Oxfam point in the piece below tax avoidance and overprcing are the fundamental problems with the cost of drug procurement.

3 of the four Big Pharma tax havens Oxfam lists below are within the EU (Netherlands,Belguim and Eire).

Drug companies appear to be cheating governments out of tax revenues that could be invested in healthcare. They are pricing medicines out of the reach of poor people. And they are using their power and influence to torpedo any attempt to cut the cost of drugs and police their tax practices.”
Pfizer, Merck & Co, Johnson & Johnson, and Abbot produce well-known brands such as Neutrogena, Anadin, and Tylenol, as well as lifesaving medicines. They are among the world’s biggest pharmaceutical companies with global revenues topping $1.8 trillion in the 10 years from 2006 to 2015.
Oxfam’s analysis suggests these four companies are shifting profits out of countries where they do their business and into tax havens that charge little or no tax. The companies are secretive about their finances but the available data reveals average pre-tax profit margins of just six percent in countries with standard tax rates, compared to 31 percent in the tax havens of the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland and Singapore. Such practices, while not necessarily illegal, are not in line with the spirit of the law.

‘Prescription for Poverty’ also outlines how the companies undermine poor people’s health by overpricing medicines - putting them out of reach for cash strapped public health services and poor patients. For example, a standard 12- week course of Pfizer’s breast cancer drug paclitaxel, can be produced for $1.16 yet sells for $276 in the US and $912 in the UK. The report also details how the pharmaceutical industry are using their economic and political clout to shape government policy on tax, trade and health in their own interest - particularly in the US where the industry spends over $200 million every year on lobbyists and political donations.

[26l34]

How will leaving the EU stop drugs companies basing themselves in tax havens?

[Woody Guthrie]

Nobody is talking about the cost of drugs although any shortage is likely to lead to profiteering. We're talking about logistics and supply.

[Danelectro]

Nobody is talking about the cost of drugs although any shortage is likely to lead to profiteering. We're talking about logistics and supply.

So am I -If you don't pay the price they won't supply. Profiteering already in full swing.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Nobody is talking about the cost of drugs although any shortage is likely to lead to profiteering. We're talking about logistics and supply.

So am I -If you don't pay the price they won't supply. Profiteering already in full swing.

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The Health Service Medical Supplies (Costs) Act 2017 (c 23) is an Act of the Parliament of the UK. It provides that pharmaceutical companies can be compelled to reduce the price of a generic medicine or introduce other controls on brand-name drugs in cases where charges are ‘unreasonable’. It received Royal Assent on 27 April 2017. Royal Assent is the monarch’s agreement to make the bill into an Act of Parliament (law).

Perhaps the Government need reminding of this option.

[Danelectro]

Nobody is talking about the cost of drugs although any shortage is likely to lead to profiteering. We're talking about logistics and supply.

So am I -If you don't pay the price they won't supply. Profiteering already in full swing.

Won't work for long http://www.gabionline.net/Generics/Gene ... rug-prices" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Health Service Medical Supplies (Costs) Act 2017 (c 23) is an Act of the Parliament of the UK. It provides that pharmaceutical companies can be compelled to reduce the price of a generic medicine or introduce other controls on brand-name drugs in cases where charges are ‘unreasonable’. It received Royal Assent on 27 April 2017. Royal Assent is the monarch’s agreement to make the bill into an Act of Parliament (law).

Perhaps the Government need reminding of this option.

Even if price restrictions could be imposed it doesn't solve the problem of facilitating the free movement of capital and therefore Big Pharma profits between countries to avoid tax which in return reduces each health services ability to procure in the first place.

EU tax avoidance sham :
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