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The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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simply_the_best
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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Godric wrote:




2017 England will vote take the rest of the UK out of the UK including Scotland if we are still part of the UK ... as for the pound that is a short term, I think you will find the USA will decide who is a nato member and not the rest of the UK already top US generals have stated that a independent Scotland will be part of Nato due to our strategic location in the Atlantic ... stick yer no I will be voting YES


So you have the Conservatives winning by a majority at the next General election then the Uk voting to leave the EU in a referendum, is your crystal ball telling you that Scotland will still be part of the UK in 2017 :dance


The pounds short term, what do you mean by that?

I'd get back to the copy and paste jobs if thats the best you can do.
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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f
ishtank"]You would probably make your argument better Tman if you stopped the sillyname calling.It's all a bit school toilet wall.

Actually it's quite refined, compared to how the ex-pat Scots in our office refer to him. As one called him, an "oleaginous little turd trying to be the elder statesman of Scotland" which I thought summed him up quite well. Clearly they see through the facade he puts up.
What interests me is why someone with such a low opinion of "sweaty socks" really cares and going by the number of times you've commented on this thread you must really,really care
I don't have a low opinion of "sweaty socks" or indeed any other race. How can anyone have a low opinion of a whole range of people narrowed only by their place of birth? It makes no sense and is racism by every definition. You've clearly failed in that particular assumption.
I do however have a low opinion of third rate failed politicians who play on and appeal to the petty nationalism inherent in some sections of every society, but without any answers to the real problems many face.
McSmug fits that to a T.
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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Tman wrote:I don't have a low opinion of "sweaty socks" or indeed any other race.
Scots are not a race, It's a country of different races.
It makes no sense and is racism by every definition.
Other than the definition of race.
I do however have a low opinion of third rate failed politicians who play on and appeal to the petty nationalism inherent in some sections of every society, but without any answers to the real problems many face.
And yet the only politicians that feel your wrath are Scottish Nationalist politicians?
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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"fishtank"]
Tman wrote:I don't have a low opinion of "sweaty socks" or indeed any other race.
Scots are not a race, It's a country of different races.

Nit-picking semantics...that good old standby. Heaven forbid you should ever stick to the point of the wholly inaccurate accusation you've just made.

It makes no sense and is racism by every definition.
Other than the definition of race.

Meaningless, unless you mean it is OK to have a go at the Scots because they're not actually a race? Does the same work for, say, Nigerians or Indians, because they're not a race either?

And yet the only politicians that feel your wrath are Scottish Nationalist politicians?
Not at all, but I don't see any other politicians who fit the criteria being discussed on here. Do you?
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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Tman wrote:Heaven forbid you should ever stick to the point of the wholly inaccurate accusation you've just made.
fishtank wrote:What interests me is why someone with such a low opinion of "sweaty socks" really cares
Tman wrote:Four hundred years of whining tartan Jockiness coming to an end....

Of course you meant that in a fluffy "love you guys really" kind of Tman way or it was only aimed at certain "Jockiness" or it was meant to be "funny" or "ironic" or whatever weak as piss excuse you're going to wheel out next.

Save us the indignant cries of foul Tman, I know what you are I'm just not sure whether you realise yourself, that's the only real debate.
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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That's neither racist or a low opinion or Scots as a race/whatever, it's pure observation of the more "vocal" elements of some from north of the border, but you knew that any way, eh Fishie?

Any more?
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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simply_the_best wrote:
Godric wrote:




2017 England will vote take the rest of the UK out of the UK including Scotland "if" we are still part of the UK ... as for the pound that is a short term, I think you will find the USA will decide who is a nato member and not the rest of the UK already top US generals have stated that a independent Scotland will be part of Nato due to our strategic location in the Atlantic ... stick yer no I will be voting YES


So you have the Conservatives winning by a majority at the next General election then the Uk voting to leave the EU in a referendum, is your crystal ball telling you that Scotland will still be part of the UK in 2017 :dance


The pounds short term, what do you mean by that?

I'd get back to the copy and paste jobs if thats the best you can do.

read my post again the magic word is "IF" obviously reading is not a strong point with you
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a new low for David Cameron and the Bitter Together Campaign :thumbdown


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... d.23138182" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Cameron's plea to Putin: help me stop Salmond

DAVID Cameron's Government wants the backing of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the battle against Scottish independence, the former USSR's leading news agency has reported.
Itar-Tass, citing a source in the Conservative Prime Minister's office, said Britain was "extremely interested" in referendum support from Russia, which this year holds the presidency of the influential G8 group of rich industrial nations.


The state-owned agency - acknowledged as the Kremlin's official mouthpiece before and after the end of Communism - said the Cameron aide had warned Scottish independence could "send shockwaves across the whole of Europe".

Its report, which follows claims Cameron and his Spanish counterpart Mariano Rajoy have forged an "anti-separatist pact", sparked criticism last night from Alex Salmond.

The First Minister said: "This report from Russia raises serious questions about the UK Government's underhand tactics. If this is accurate, then Westminster has been caught red-handed trying to stir up hostility to Scotland instead of representing Scotland's interests - it seems the No Campaign's self-named 'Project Fear' has now gone global."

The Scottish Government, as revealed in this newspaper, has already launched its own diplomatic charm offensive, trying to explain its independence project to sceptical governments such as Rajoy's.

For the first time since devolution an Edinburgh administration is pursuing a foreign policy that is at odds with the interests of the British state.

However, some nationalists increasingly suspect that Whitehall is using diplomatic back channels to rubbish independence.

The Tass report, by one of the agency's correspondents, hit the Russian language news wires on Hogmanay.

Its opening paragraph reads: "Great Britain is extremely interested in the support of Russia, as holder of the G8 presidency, in two vital areas in 2014: the Afghan pull-out and the Scottish independence referendum."

In the traditional style of a Russian news wire report, this assertion was then attributed to a "representative" in the Prime Minister's office who was speaking anonymously.

The journalist then added a direct quote from the unnamed source talking of "two main issues whose resolution requires international formats, albeit of different modalities".

The Cameron Government insider then, according to the report, added: "Those are the withdrawal of combat units from Afghanistan by the end of the 2014 and September's referendum on Scottish independence.

"We believe that the G8 could become one of the main political platforms where London will find backing."

The journalist added that although the referendum might "look like a UK domestic matter", it had, according to his UK Government source, the potential to "send shockwaves across the whole of Europe".

David Cameron is understood to have recently tried to repair his relationship with Putin, especially with the Russians set to chair a summit of G8 and EU leaders in the Black Sea resort of Sochi this June.

The Tass report mostly focused on this. London, it said, was hoping for "special relations" with Moscow in the run-up to Sochi. "We are eager for G8 consultations with Russia," the representative from Cameron's office was quoted as saying.

The summit will see the leaders of France, the United States, Canada and Russia - all thought to be hostile to Scottish independence - gather in one place just three months before the Scottish vote.

Few international leaders have spoken out in public about the Scottish referendum.

The only major figure to buck this trend is Spain's Rajoy, who late last year announced that Scotland would be "outside the EU" if it voted for independence.

Madrid's El Pais newspaper reported that Rajoy had met Cameron to "consult" on independence movements in Scotland and Catalonia, whose government hopes to hold its own referendum shortly after Scotland's.

The paper said the Spanish premier was seeking "British complicity" in his bid to stop Catalans breaking away.

A Number 10 source, asked about the meeting which was in Vilnius, Lithuania, later said: "We don't recognise talk of a deal."

Last month, this newspaper revealed two senior Downing Street officials, including Cameron's adviser on Scotland, Andrew Dunlop, had flown to Madrid at the invitation of Rajoy's ultra-unionist and conservative administration.

Salmond, in response, accused Cameron and Rajoy of working "hand in glove". Scottish Tories dismissed the suggestion and accused the First Minister of "childish rhetoric".

The UK Government dismissed the visit as routine.

Russian state media, meanwhile, has recently issued numerous dire warnings about the "epidemic of separatism" infecting both Scotland and Catalonia.

Putin has effectively run the Kremlin since 1999, either as prime minister or president, on a strongman policy of securing Russia's "territorial integrity".

Salmond said: "It is shameful that as Prime Minister David Cameron refuses to debate in front of the people of Scotland, but is perfectly willing to lobby against Scotland's

interests around the world. This adds credibility to reports the Prime Minister was lobbying the Spanish prime minister to make comments against Scottish independence when their foreign minister had already made perfectly clear that Scotland's referendum is a matter for the people of Scotland.

"This kind of behaviour shows exactly why Scotland should represent our own interests as an independent nation.

"We will be a responsible global citizen and a good friend to our neighbours in the rest of the UK."

Patrick Harvie MSP, the joint convener of the Scottish Greens, said: "If accurate, these extraordinary comments show a deeper sense of misjudgement than I thought the UK Government was capable of.

"The one thing I thought even the Cameron government accepted was that the referendum is for the Scottish people to settle, so why they feel the need to court the support of Vladimir Putin's brutal regime I cannot imagine."

A spokesman for Cameron declined to comment, on the basis that there were "no quotes" from the unnamed representative claiming that the UK wanted Russia's support.

The Russian Embassy in London did not respond to a request for comment.
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Tman
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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Another one of those either made-up or juiced up stories? Funny how none of the broad-sheets either reported it or gave it prominence, which is amazing, given that a story about an unpopular Tory PM "siding" with the Russians against his own countrymen would be hot news.
Maybe the Auchtermuchty Weekly doesn't quite have the handle on international affairs that it thought it did...? :hmmmm
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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Tman wrote:Another one of those either made-up or juiced up stories? Funny how none of the broad-sheets either reported it or gave it prominence,
is that funny in the same way that Scott Ritter the UN weapons inspector knew there was no weapons of mass destruction in IRAQ 4 years before the war but was sidelined.Obviously you believe we have an uncompromised and independent free press :crazy:
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Free enough to print political stories to embarrass Cameron etc, that's for sure.
Unless those Giant Lizards are controlling Fleet St again... :crazy:
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Tman wrote:Free enough to print political stories to embarrass Cameron etc, that's for sure.
Unless those Giant Lizards are controlling Fleet St again... :crazy:

it was in all the Scottish Newspapers yesterday .... stop whinning about something that has feck all to do with you
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and it continues

http://nationalcollective.com/2014/01/1 ... ependence/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Freedom of Information Request Reveals Westminster’s Global Lobbying Against Independence
Downing Street has lobbied Vladimir Putin to help Westminster in the independence referendum, according to The Sunday Herald and Russian news agency Itar-Tass.

This diplomatic offensive – aimed towards the G8 June summit – follows previous meetings between Cameron’s administration and the right-wing Spanish Government designed to undermine Scottish and Catalan independence.

This information – almost certainly leaked from the Kremlin – was a rare glimpse into how Westminster is horse-trading influence in attempts to undermine Scotland in 2014. Very little is known of Westminster’s global lobbying against Scotland as the Foreign Office has refused to answer freedom of information requests in full.


Freedom of information reveals embassies briefing

A freedom of information request provided to National Collective revealed the extent to which the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has been briefing embassies across the world against independence.

There had been 8 diplomatic telegrams and ‘scripts’ sent to UK embassies in the first 7 months of 2013 . This included “General lines on the referendum” and a “Core Script” which were “sent to all posts”. The “Core Script” confirmed that the Foreign Office is briefing governments across the world on the independence referendum – but they refused to provide any details on the nature of these communications. This is despite the significant public interest in knowing Westminster activity in relation to the referendum. These are – after all – diplomatic networks that are supposed to represent Scotland.

With few details available on internal communications, Westminster is unlikely to willingly divulge attempts to pressure other governments. However, shreds of evidence exists.


National Collective previously shared the statement from U.S. diplomatic expert Carne Ross, that “recently all British embassies were sent instructions to lobby host governments against Scottish independence“. This statement was made on the 17th of July 2013. The information reply from the Foreign Office confirms that “General lines” on the referendum were sent to all UK diplomatic posts on the 1st of July 2013. Westminster’s attempts to gain favour with Russia and Spain are now in the public domain. But what other lobbying has Westminster conducted that remains secret? And is it right that UK services should try to undermine Scotland’s international position, in the manner the Russian leak demonstrates? Cameron and Westminster’s campaign against Scotland David Cameron’s government is doing all he can to hang onto Scotland at home and abroad and this is perhaps no surprise. Westminster is desperate to maintain control over Scotland’s finances, military assets and natural resources as they are crucial to the UK’s international power, such as Westminster’s position on the UN Security Council and retention of nuclear weapons at Faslane. The real shock is that Cameron has been so duplicitous in presenting his motivations. Recently Cameron stated that the independence debate “should be between people in Scotland”. This was his excuse for refusing to defend Westminster’s record in a debate with Alex Salmond. The recent Russians revelations make Cameron’s claims laughable: Westminster and its Tory-led Government are leading the No Campaign, and as the leader of the No campaign, he should debate with Alex Salmond.

Revealed: 5 ways David Cameron is influencing Scotland’s Referendum, despite claiming that it should be between Scots.
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Re: The impact of independence on Scottish postal services

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I'm more interested in the fat controllers missing £54k spent at his ryder cup jolly than your laughable efforts with Cameron and Putin :left:



What about his plans to re-nationalise the RM, hows that going to work and be paid for?