POLL:How are you going to vote?

[Ranger]

Some on this site wish to do away with DTD, Im sure RM will be obliging in putting up basic pay

I'm one of 'em, Daz.
If RM, on the back of a profit-making year, decide in their infinite stupidity to refuse us a payrise, we do what we did in the old days, take industrial action.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me, to expect that those who did most to ensure a profitable outcome, get rewarded for having done so, via a rise in basic pay. Adam Crozier, the least productive employee gets a £2million bonus in a couple of weeks, and that on top of the millions he's already snaffled up, c'mon, fair's fair, mate. Or, it should be.
D2D, well, let's be totally honest, a product detested by 99.9% of the population of Great Britain, a product we've never been decently rewarded for doing, and with this latest fiasco of an agreement, will end up worse off for doing more of the shyte!

Aye Much worse off. Its unbelievable to me how we are expected to think £12.42 per week is fair income for delivering a possible 4,000 items.

[DirtyHarry]

Aye Much worse off. Its unbelievable to me how we are expected to think £12.42 per week is fair income for delivering a possible 4,000 items.

I agree, and it's noticeable too, that it's the least productive elements of our nation's postal service, management and union officials, who always come out with crap like this "2010 and beyond" shyte.

[proper postie]

Some on this site wish to do away with DTD, Im sure RM will be obliging in putting up basic pay

I'm one of 'em, Daz.
If RM, on the back of a profit-making year, decide in their infinite stupidity to refuse us a payrise, we do what we did in the old days, take industrial action.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me, to expect that those who did most to ensure a profitable outcome, get rewarded for having done so, via a rise in basic pay. Adam Crozier, the least productive employee gets a £2million bonus in a couple of weeks, and that on top of the millions he's already snaffled up, c'mon, fair's fair, mate. Or, it should be.
D2D, well, let's be totally honest, a product detested by 99.9% of the population of Great Britain, a product we've never been decently rewarded for doing, and with this latest fiasco of an agreement, will end up worse off for doing more of the shyte!

Aye Much worse off. Its unbelievable to me how we are expected to think £12.42 per week is fair income for delivering a possible 4,000 items.

That's £12.42 pw at pro rata

[Speedydelivery]

It's obvious this deal is horrendous. If this deal is to protect jobs then if we vote no and they make delivery staff redundant, then how can royal mail still deliver to every address in Britain?

[lennoxlove555]

this is the same union who voted after working 10 hours overtime your overtime rate dropped ,
i,ll never understand that 1
same as in 3 years down the line new starters will be scratching there heads who voted for all these door to door items to be delivered for next to nothing the people on the ground have been well and truly shafted this time .
the union are telling us this is the only deal but they would ,they aren,t getting shafted .
i,m afraid i cant vote yes for something i dont agree with so it,s a no from me . good luck everyone .

[Pat Ostman]

Some on this site wish to do away with DTD, Im sure RM will be obliging in putting up basic pay

I'm one of 'em, Daz.
If RM, on the back of a profit-making year, decide in their infinite stupidity to refuse us a payrise, we do what we did in the old days, take industrial action.
It seems perfectly reasonable to me, to expect that those who did most to ensure a profitable outcome, get rewarded for having done so, via a rise in basic pay. Adam Crozier, the least productive employee gets a £2million bonus in a couple of weeks, and that on top of the millions he's already snaffled up, c'mon, fair's fair, mate. Or, it should be.
D2D, well, let's be totally honest, a product detested by 99.9% of the population of Great Britain, a product we've never been decently rewarded for doing, and with this latest fiasco of an agreement, will end up worse off for doing more of the shyte!

Aye Much worse off. Its unbelievable to me how we are expected to think £12.42 per week is fair income for delivering a possible 4,000 items.

That's £12.42 pw at pro rata

Playing devils advocate here but you would be paid overtime or you could work to your time.

[DirtyHarry]

Got my ballot paper today, and I have voted NO to further deterioration of our jobs.
Want longer, later,Saturdays? Like feck, I do.

Want loads more D2Ds, day specific ones too, which means not only will Saturdays be hell, but days like Christmas eve, New years eve, what with "sales" and the like? Like feck, I do.

And as an added bonus, want to be paid less for doing D2D shyte? Like feck, I do.

[Speedydelivery]

To prep D2D and deliver them just like a full timer doesn't seem fair to get paid less, unless they make the partimers walks shorter or increase PT hours and have all mail prepped in the frame which doesn't happen just now so why would that happen in the future?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

To prep D2D and deliver them just like a full timer doesn't seem fair to get paid less

But under the 2010 offer you wont.

FT payment for doing D2Ds extra to contracted wage = £0
PT Payment for doing D2Ds extra to contracted wage = £0


The new system with all D2Ds prep and delivery in the working stream in ALL aspects treats D2D as normal mail, not separate. Do FT at the moment deliver and prep more mail on their duties then a PT doing the same duty - No.
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Do I agree with the offer - No because the creation of the delivery Supplement does not offset the weekly loss of D2D payments for those that delivered them on time and to spec. If it had done then I would be for it. (this part of the offer I mean)

In my opinion - doing away with D2D payments will in the long run be a good thing if the loss was offset and the replacement was linked to future pay increases. This would mean over time we would get paid more for doing them, rather than as at present (before 2010 offer) no increase at all. It would also stop the issue of posties not having time to prep them, prepping them at home and Managers saying they must be prepped in your own time, or floaters and reserves being excused.

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I have posted this before but because of the poor wording (for reasons of negotiation apparently) people are confusing the issue of Delivery Supplement and D2D payments in thinking that the DS payment has replaced D2D payments.

It has not - we wont get paid for D2Ds any more - The Delivery Supplement is a brand new payment. The budget that used to pay for D2Ds (£50M PA) and ESA (£40m PA) will now pay for the Delivery Supplement

[Broxi51]

I have posted off my vote and now wait for democracy to kick in and return a NO vote

Unfortunately I have a feeling that somehow the vote will be miscounted and surprisingly the YES vote will win.

I think that by the end of May I will be leaving the CWU. I realise that the CWU are there to help in other ways but if they cannot get the major points right when sitting down to sup with RM then it is unlikely that they will be of any use to me in any other areas. More likely to go up for a stage 1 for absence and take the CWU in with me and end up getting dismissed.

[bobhillcrest]

The loss of money from the d2ds is bad enough but worse is the "Grandfather" rights we had on the early shift allowance which was pensionable and now has disappeared from our pension and put into a non pensionable allowance.Another erosion of our ever dwindling pension.The 2007 pay agreement said that this allowance would be protected.Why is it not?

[Big Daz]

The loss of money from the d2ds is bad enough but worse is the "Grandfather" rights we had on the early shift allowance which was pensionable and now has disappeared from our pension and put into a non pensionable allowance.Another erosion of our ever dwindling pension.The 2007 pay agreement said that this allowance would be protected.Why is it not?

Thats not quite correct,

The shift allowance part of the delivery supplement is pensionable, thats in the aggreement.

Individuals in receipt of pensionable allowances incorporated into this payment will retain full pensionability of those elements on a reserved rights basis.

Therefore due to the increase in basic pay, your pensionable pay goes up!

[el_cartero]

who is in charge of this ?

i fear an iranian /afghanistan style voting system...

if so will we riot?

[Night Tonic]

But...but...the poll indicates everyone will vote No

[Pat Ostman]

But...but...the poll indicates everyone will vote No

But...but... they voted YES in 2007....