Time to Renegotiate

[Martin Walsh]

Blacov if your office has seen a growth in delivery points , it will depend on how your currently delivering those new delivery points. If you have put them onto existing walks then you will possibly see a productivity improvement.

However if your unit has put the new delivery points as overtime or extra hours for a part timer , than it will depend on how much traffic the new delivery point growth has generated to the hours you have put into deliver.

Now when your office does a table top revision than you may want to put some of these new delivery point growth back to the walks. If you did do this than your hours will reduce as your no longer paying overtime out for DPG.

If your doing a structural revision than all your offices Delivery point growth will be taken into account along with call rate , attendance calls and local factors . This will than give each office an optimised outdoor duty set .

[PJ101]

Martin

I am struggling to understand this. Is the expectation that we deliver the same as we do now but by removing 1 hour per week from each full timer we will achieve an efficiency improvement. We have 24 FT staff and 9 PT that are currently working in the office. We have 1 FT who has been on the management training plan everyday for over 2 years. There are 25 deliveries plus 1 in the callers office. The last revision was several years ago and the TM1 (if I understand the terminology) shows only 3 PT. Delivery point growth since the last revision has been over 10%. We are carrying 2 vacancies. Are we likely to need to do anything?

[Martin Walsh]

If you email your office I will be able to give you a more informed position.

[kevbo]

The whole reason we did not get the SWW 2 years ago was that we were not going to accept the delivery method change and the larger parcels into circa 300 delivery offices and the changes they wanted.

This agreement guarantees a shorter working week based on a revision and adds 82 million pounds to the way bill and is worth 2.6% to a part timer which is why the pay deal is only 1%.

Believe me Of com are not happy that Royal Mail are going to pay out 2.7% and 1% in April before an hour has been saved. Do you really think that after the 2.7 gets paid anyone is going to take us seriously if we than say we want to renegotiate the deal !

Fair play we all love a dreamer but most of us who have negotiate the impact from the agreement have to deal in the realities and Royal Mail have been lucky to have seen a revenue windfall but it is on parcels and tracked which is not as automated as they wanted and of course parcels occur extra costs from hiring outhouses etc.

I certainly don't think Royal Mail are taking us seriously. Did anyone who has worked for Royal Mail in the last year believe them when they said we were losing money every week when in fact we were delivering more parcels than ever. But even if you did fall for that, now the cat is out of the bag and they have had to come clean about projected profit being "well in excess of £500 million". I'm sure that figure would be a lot more if they hadn't ploughed a lot into "parcel handling costs" which is an investment in the business by the way.

Do you really think Royal Mail have been "lucky" to have announced this windfall just after securing a 1% pay rise agreement? I can't be the only one who saw this coming a mile off. The workload for parcels must have doubled in the last year. I don't think it is unreasonable to revisit this years part of the agreement due to the "unforeseen" historic rise in profits. Isn't that the way most well run businesses work?

[blacov]

Of course this is not a massive surprise. Royal Mail has mastered the game of playing smokes and screens. They made it looked like they are a poor victim of covid while at the same time we were barely coping with unprecedented volumes of parcels. On top of that letter delivery was marginalised and surely over the time it must have brought sizable savings on top of extra revenue coming from parcels. We were given deal of the century as it was published by the cwu and even before we managed to sniff the money. Royal Mail put the cards on the table and we find out that they expect stronger results than previously anticipated which is no surprise to most of people. While personally I am happy at least we were offered something I am not sure about permanent changes we are about to face in the coming months. It should be stressed it's certainly not the deal of century, more like a mediocre deal. Whatever cwu wants us to believe. Speaking of renegotiating terms it is no longer possible as vote has been casted and both sides celebrate it as a victory. Cwu and RM.

[Woody Guthrie]

You're only left with two options in these situations.

Either the union negotiators are very naive and didn't realise they were being conned or they fully understood the situation and were happy to play along with the con and feed their members the same crock of s**t.

The silence from the union since the reported profit expectations leads me to believe it's the latter otherwise they would be screaming blue murder.

I'm not saying they could have gotten a better deal, it is what it is but this flipping from banging the drum and talking about fighting to complete compliance and eagerness to parrot the company position within the space of a couple of weeks is at best very suspicious and the members are tiring of it.

It feels fake but we're the one's being faked by both sides.

[gone postal]

Blacov if your office has seen a growth in delivery points , it will depend on how your currently delivering those new delivery points. If you have put them onto existing walks then you will possibly see a productivity improvement.

However if your unit has put the new delivery points as overtime or extra hours for a part timer , than it will depend on how much traffic the new delivery point growth has generated to the hours you have put into deliver.

Now when your office does a table top revision than you may want to put some of these new delivery point growth back to the walks. If you did do this than your hours will reduce as your no longer paying overtime out for DPG.

If your doing a structural revision than all your offices Delivery point growth will be taken into account along with call rate , attendance calls and local factors . This will than give each office an optimised outdoor duty set .

So in a table top scenario are you saying those hours could be converted to reduce the o/t spend by putting them into the units TM1?

[Martin Walsh]

I don’t mind being the person some want to react to.

I come on here unlike most iso you know my name and position.

It is so very easy for most on this site to criticise the CWU we should have waited and than demanded more ! And that they are being treated unfairly.

So many posters post this argument yet when you listen to their argument of what is happening in their office, you do have to question why are you waiting for anyone else to fight your battles if Your not willing to make a stand. In London we had a policy which made us strong which was if you wanted everyone support you had to first start the fight.

This agreement has been done against the backdrop of what Rico Backs agenda was , let’s be clear here what is was , easy for you lot to moan but you would have moan louder if he had achieved what he wanted !

1. Remove all the growth to a cheaper work force
2. Link to 100BSi
3. Pay based on AHDC
4. parcel strategy onto 300 delivery offices !

If you choose to not believe that fair enough! But for me I really don’t think it is worth me now providing more informed information as you clearly think the pathway to change Agreement is a sell out ! Good luck to you all !

[Woody Guthrie]

It's immaterial what Rico's plan may or may not have been Martin. At some point Royal Mail decided they didn't want to go down that route.
You can only judge whether your terms and conditions are improving or degrading by judging what you have against what you had.
What might have been doesn't even come into it.

The problem is this agreement is all things to some people and nothing to others. It's so vague and open to so many different interpretations that no-one can even tell whether it's a good agreement or not.

It will because of its lack of focus and concentration on "local solutions" create more winners and losers throughout the business but that won't bother the winners because they'll just call the losers weak and lacking in fight in that fine old tradition of "I'm alright Jack" that the CWU calls trade unionism.

[PJ101]

Martin

I am surprised at this post. Surely the purpose of a board such as this to see a range of views and opinions. It is useful to see different points being raised and the counter arguments made. Of course you are more informed than many of us but it would not be possible for us all to share your experience. The points raised often reflect widely held opinions and it it informative to see your replies.

You are clearly proud of what the CWU has achieved with this deal and we all hope that you right to be so.

For me I hope you continue to engage with this board even it it means tolerating what you view as ill informed opinions. We may not have the experience that you have but we do work for Royal Mail everyday and our opinions are formed from our experience.

[GRS]

Martin

I am surprised at this post. Surely the purpose of a board such as this to see a range of views and opinions. It is useful to see different points being raised and the counter arguments made. Of course you are more informed than many of us but it would not be possible for us all to share your experience. The points raised often reflect widely held opinions and it it informative to see your replies.

You are clearly proud of what the CWU has achieved with this deal and we all hope that you right to be so.

For me I hope you continue to engage with this board even it it means tolerating what you view as ill informed opinions. We may not have the experience that you have but we do work for Royal Mail everyday and our opinions are formed from our experience.

I’m not surprised in the least. To be called a bullshitter and sell out merchant etc etc every time you make a comment or offer a view would demoralise anyone eventually. I don’t know whether some on here know home personally but it certainly looks like some have a personal agenda against him. In fact some of the comments make for uncomfortable reading. I wonder whether these people act like this towards anyone they meet in their life who have a different view to them on things.

[Woody Guthrie]

To be called a bullshitter and sell out merchant etc etc

You would need to point out those posts because I can't see them.

The vast majority of the criticism is aimed at the union's position. It's perfectly healthy to criticise a position.
If Martin chooses to defend that position that's completely up to him but obviously in doing so he'll face opposing views.
Martin and I have been sparring on here for the best part of 13 years and he knows it isn't personal.
He's a big boy and well capable of fighting his own battles.

[GRS]

I wasn’t talking about you Woody. Your posts are of the constructive nature, however I feel some may see your sparring and think they are free to wade in with some rather personal and unnecessary attacks.

[POSTMAN]

I wasn’t talking about you Woody. Your posts are of the constructive nature, however I feel some may see your sparring and think they are free to wade in with some rather personal and unnecessary attacks.

If YOU or anyone else feels that a member on here is being 'attacked' then please use the report post function.
I don't think anyone 'attacks' Martin per se and Woody sums it up perfectly as does pj101

This is not a bash Martin site.

[kevbo]

I wasn’t talking about you Woody. Your posts are of the constructive nature, however I feel some may see your sparring and think they are free to wade in with some rather personal and unnecessary attacks.

Who then? Hopefully not me. I started this post and I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious. What the majority of people who work for this company, who aren't oblivious to their daily workload, already know.