Is Dave Ward the worst CWU leader ever?

[rainbowwarrior72]

The deal was passed by the executive for ballot and then 90% or so who bothered to vote accepted it. If it was that bad a deal, executive would have thrown it out.

You do realise that the executive is literally made up of Dave and Terrys mates. Oh and Dave and Terry

So anyone who voted yes are mates of dave an terry then?? and dont forget its actually posties who vote to elect the pec.

On the executive I’m guessing they have a lot of power, what was number of people on the executive in favour?

From people I know that voted yes it’s either a) people chasing £backpay or b) people that are looking to get vr, this is a massive change in the company and it needed to be a massive endorsement by staff (it wasn’t) and explained to them properly what the agreement was about.

I voted Yes not because of the pay deal or the backdated one I voted Yes because it was really the best deal on the table. Re the comment about Fulltimers not pulling their weight thats rubbish the problem has been that RM not replacing like for like when a FT Postie leaves and that doesn't help the work plan that RM put in place. Covid has been a very big eyeopener for RM and they have been forced to admit that things have to change. Hopefully we will see alot of PT staff being made FT especially if the duties they are doing require it but it may have to be tested to prove it.
I have been a union rep myself and its not an easy job as you can not please everyone.
Considering where we were last year and where we are now its a good deal granted RM have to be committed to it for it to work.

[Chelseablue]

Lot of love for us full timers on here . Some of us do put the hours in etc , driver/walker divide , ft/ pt divide keep it up ppl the bosses love it .

[cobrakai]

The deal was passed by the executive for ballot and then 90% or so who bothered to vote accepted it. If it was that bad a deal, executive would have thrown it out.

You do realise that the executive is literally made up of Dave and Terrys mates. Oh and Dave and Terry

So anyone who voted yes are mates of dave an terry then?? and dont forget its actually posties who vote to elect the pec.

On the executive I’m guessing they have a lot of power, what was number of people on the executive in favour?

From people I know that voted yes it’s either a) people chasing £backpay or b) people that are looking to get vr, this is a massive change in the company and it needed to be a massive endorsement by staff (it wasn’t) and explained to them properly what the agreement was about.

I voted Yes not because of the pay deal or the backdated one I voted Yes because it was really the best deal on the table. Re the comment about Fulltimers not pulling their weight thats rubbish the problem has been that RM not replacing like for like when a FT Postie leaves and that doesn't help the work plan that RM put in place. Covid has been a very big eyeopener for RM and they have been forced to admit that things have to change. Hopefully we will see alot of PT staff being made FT especially if the duties they are doing require it but it may have to be tested to prove it.
I have been a union rep myself and its not an easy job as you can not please everyone.
Considering where we were last year and where we are now its a good deal granted RM have to be committed to it for it to work.

It was the only deal on the table, the other Rico offer wasn't even shown to the members.

[daveyeff]

aye the 'Rico deal' would've been great.

[cobrakai]

aye the 'Rico deal' would've been great.

How vastly different was it?

[twiddledumb]

Speaking as a full-timer I can say that the union actually treat most full-timers the same as part-timers. That is if the union rep, regional reps like you, you get on well with them, then they will cover your back no matter what. In my office two full-timers have stopped revisions on numerous occasions because they did not like what they had left to pick. Everyone else in the office is happy but union did exactly what the 2 full timers wanted. All because those 2 full-timers knew the union reps very well.
The union has become just another pals-network.

[Woody Guthrie]

Considering where we were last year...

Where were we?

[Marshamp11]

Why don't we get paid at least our hourly rate for overtime if not more?
Why has none of the concerns of the part time staff been addressed such as bullying & harrassment and the fact they are doing most of the work whilst other full time members are doing less hours a day than part time staff for full time wages.
What about the culture of no one believing you are actually sick and issue of giving stages out even if you have a heart attack or your leg snaps?
Management's favouritism and ghosting deals whilst harrasing less senior staff to take on more work work faster complete whilst both manager and senior staff have gone home hours before such staff.
Culture of no respect for workforce and used like disposable work horses if anything goes wrong with your body.
No protection from the worst yet to come.....but yeah it's a great agreement for everyone especially those at the bottom of the pile.....
Wait and see who suffers first in the office's with the old local agreements bet it's the mugs that are ignored all the time and that is probably why they didn't bother to vote the forgotten 47% because they are no longer represented.

[postieblueshirt]

As far as full time part time I'd say this.the way a part time job in rm these days is set to fail from the word go.as in you start later,whereas before being part time meant starting at the same time as full time staff. That way you learnt sorting boxing in all that jazz and left at the same time to go out on delivery.so the way it is now it will never work so who takes the blame for that I dont know.but one thing for sure I would not like to be a part time postie these days.as for ft pt divide this job is always about people looking after themselves always has been always will.

[Coffee lover]

As far as full time part time I'd say this.the way a part time job in rm these days is set to fail from the word go.as in you start later,whereas before being part time meant starting at the same time as full time staff. That way you learnt sorting boxing in all that jazz and left at the same time to go out on delivery.so the way it is now it will never work so who takes the blame for that I dont know.but one thing for sure I would not like to be a part time postie these days.as for ft pt divide this job is always about people looking after themselves always has been always will.

I think if they made all full timers actually work there hours it wouldn’t be a problem but when part timers see full timers going home 1-2 hours early than you realise that it’s totally unfair, they should just put everyone on a 35 hour contract unless you really want to start later than make some duties part time for

[postieblueshirt]

As far as full time part time I'd say this.the way a part time job in rm these days is set to fail from the word go.as in you start later,whereas before being part time meant starting at the same time as full time staff. That way you learnt sorting boxing in all that jazz and left at the same time to go out on delivery.so the way it is now it will never work so who takes the blame for that I dont know.but one thing for sure I would not like to be a part time postie these days.as for ft pt divide this job is always about people looking after themselves always has been always will.

I think if they made all full timers actually work there hours it wouldn’t be a problem but when part timers see full timers going home 1-2 hours early than you realise that it’s totally unfair, they should just put everyone on a 35 hour contract unless you really want to start later than make some duties part time for

That's easy sorted though you need a manager with the balls to make sure that's not happening.if you ran a business would you let your employees leave hours before there finish time?.

[Bahia Feliz]

I’m FT and over 30 years service,I ‘cut off’ every day due to my delivery being so busy since COVID started and new builds etc.
I’m happy to work my full hours,I start on time,take my MR etc.
I’ve had a lot of grief the last few years from managers because I used to book extended delivery a lot due to ‘doing the job properly’,but now I don’t take any crap anymore,if they want to get rid of me for ‘performance issues’ bring it on,I know I’m not slow.
Regarding PT not being made up to FT,if I was in that position and needed more money I’d look for a FT job instead of constantly moaning that I’m not being made up to FT,why did you take the job in the first place?
The PT’s in my office don’t do any IPS and most of them book OT in the morning to prep their frames anyway,I do an hour ips most days.

[Coffee lover]

I’m FT and over 30 years service,I ‘cut off’ every day due to my delivery being so busy since COVID started and new builds etc.
I’m happy to work my full hours,I start on time,take my MR etc.
I’ve had a lot of grief the last few years from managers because I used to book extended delivery a lot due to ‘doing the job properly’,but now I don’t take any crap anymore,if they want to get rid of me for ‘performance issues’ bring it on,I know I’m not slow.
Regarding PT not being made up to FT,if I was in that position and needed more money I’d look for a FT job instead of constantly moaning that I’m not being made up to FT,why did you take the job in the first place?
The PT’s in my office don’t do any IPS and most of them book OT in the morning to prep their frames anyway,I do an hour ips most days.

Well people took the job because they needed a job if you start on the 30 hours and are told at interviews by manager that you would be made up to full time within 2 to 3 years then you accept that at the time, but then 10 years later you’re still waiting what are you supposed to do,the job market is Poor overtime is paid for part-timers but it’s erratically paid not always the right amount of hours do you get paid for and I know you only look after yourself but when you see part timers working later than full times every day something has clearly gone wrong as for the manager having no balls he hasn’t part timers complain to him all the time and the union this is what I’m saying the union are not doing anything about it how can expect to keep taking subs of people every week when there is unfairness in the workplace

[clashcityrocker]

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Regarding PT not being made up to FT, if I was in that position and needed more money I’d look for a FT job instead of constantly moaning that I’m not being made up to FT, why did you take the job in the first place?

Why do any full timers do any overtime? Why do we have SA?
If they wanted more than 38 hours/week they should have taken a job that pays more/offers more hours.

[Woody Guthrie]

you see part timers working later than full times every day

In your office you do, in mine I don't.
There are obviously some who do but there are also some full-time staff who work later than some part-time staff. Most though are paired together so obviously finish at the same time.

The problem is what do you want?
To finish before your time like the full-time staff or the full-time staff who are finishing early to work their hours? The first is not a position the union will help you with and the second won't improve your situation other than self satisfaction.

Workload balance is a red herring because no two people in this job have the same workload in any one day. We could finish at the same time but have vastly different items per work hour. I could finish an hour before you and have covered more workload.

If it's just about working paid hours what happens if increasing the workload on the full-time staff means less overtime and fewer full-time opportunities for part-time staff?

I'm not picking a side here I'm just trying to show that it's a complex issue.