'Innovative duty structures'

[Fluke]

Ooops! Double post

[johnnyp]

My office has been on a 4 day week for 18 months now and we love it.I dont care if i work to my time every day,2 days of a week which rotate its my long weekend this week finished yesterday back in next Wednesday and we get that every third week.When i first started we worked 6 days ,then we went to 11 day fortnight,then a nine day fortnight,then a five day week and now a 4 day next up a 3 day week All introduced by our branch when Dave used to be in charge and encouraged our reps to get these sort of duties for us.It can and has been done ,ok you work a little bit harder but its well worth it,also if you want to work your Rest days on docket earnings are there as well

You've mentioned this before and i always forget to ask this....

How do the dutys span out then?
Give us a normal day,how long is the average walk,how big ect.
There is no way that we can absorb half a walk into another at my place,it would kill us.

Before we had these 4 day weeks we were on a 5 day with night duties and we used to do our late collections on S/A.
So our area rep asked do we fancy a 4 day but we would loose 5 walks, 4 night dutys and all our late S/A,(which was about 120 hours a week).After a big debate and a vote we went to the 4 day week.None of our walks are over 3.5 some a lot less,average about 3 hours.Management know this and want dutys,but we will see.A 318 is this
05.30-07.30 IPS
07.30-10.00 Prep,redirections etc.
Meal breaks are taken between 09.30-11.00.
11.00-15-30 Delivery(which includes travel to 1st point and return to office)
As you can see we have plenty of scope for heavy days,network failures,door2doors etc.Some might say scope for flexability as well,but our night S/A is going and they want 2 walks as well so we shall wait and see.Walks may get longer with new technology etc but we should be telling them what we want in return for savings and efficiency etc. and make sure we get it.

[POSTMAN]

My office has been on a 4 day week for 18 months now and we love it.I dont care if i work to my time every day,2 days of a week which rotate its my long weekend this week finished yesterday back in next Wednesday and we get that every third week.When i first started we worked 6 days ,then we went to 11 day fortnight,then a nine day fortnight,then a five day week and now a 4 day next up a 3 day week All introduced by our branch when Dave used to be in charge and encouraged our reps to get these sort of duties for us.It can and has been done ,ok you work a little bit harder but its well worth it,also if you want to work your Rest days on docket earnings are there as well

You've mentioned this before and i always forget to ask this....

How do the dutys span out then?
Give us a normal day,how long is the average walk,how big ect.
There is no way that we can absorb half a walk into another at my place,it would kill us.

Before we had these 4 day weeks we were on a 5 day with night duties and we used to do our late collections on S/A.
So our area rep asked do we fancy a 4 day but we would loose 5 walks, 4 night dutys and all our late S/A,(which was about 120 hours a week).After a big debate and a vote we went to the 4 day week.None of our walks are over 3.5 some a lot less,average about 3 hours.Management know this and want dutys,but we will see.A 318 is this
05.30-07.30 IPS
07.30-10.00 Prep,redirections etc.
Meal breaks are taken between 09.30-11.00.
11.00-15-30 Delivery(which includes travel to 1st point and return to office)
As you can see we have plenty of scope for heavy days,network failures,door2doors etc.Some might say scope for flexability as well,but our night S/A is going and they want 2 walks as well so we shall wait and see.Walks may get longer with new technology etc but we should be telling them what we want in return for savings and efficiency etc. and make sure we get it.

Tbh i was gonna quote bits of this but there are so many holes here john.
On paper it looks a piece of piss,on paper tho.
I mean 2-30mins prep!!
And 5-30 mins to do the bloody walk!!


Detour to the A2 and pick me up.

[smokerjim]

How would a 4 day pattern work with part timers - after all offices are having FT walks replaced with PT contracts ( in my personal case, I get 30 hrs over 5 days - I miss out the IPS & have to "find" the extra 30 mins per day ). Would it be done pro rata? Or would it be 30 hrs over 3 days? Or is it just something worked out in individual offices to their satisfaction?

On the flip side, doing 10 hrs a day, would make it very easy for RM to switch every walk to PT ( in the long term ) - just delete the 2 hrs for IPS, and imo, for me, it would make it easier to get a top-up job ( 1-2 days a week, rather than a few hrs in the evening, every night - especially as I could earn more driving than I could as a packer or call handler in some "black hole of Calcutta" warehouse or call centre

[pickaname]

i'd vote for a 4 day week so long as job and finish was included :)

[k979aaa]

i'd vote for a 4 day week so long as job and finish was included :)

On one point we have had the "VOTE"!. And as a second point 10 hours is a very long day because job and finnish is finnished this is the whole point of the 2007/2009 pay and modernisation agreement.

[ronaldo]

we have been offered 5am from 6am in winter and have the time off in summer

[k979aaa]

we have been offered 5am from 6am in winter and have the time off in summer

Please give details of start, finnish, and day's worked, and day's off,should be intereresting!.

[ronaldo]

my shift monday to friday and i would just need to work the extra hour each morning.when i have done 40hrs will get week off in summer.so dont get ot for extra hour and finish normal time.i dont do ot because of child tax credit so time off seems good

[DGP1]

my shift monday to friday and i would just need to work the extra hour each morning.when i have done 40hrs will get week off in summer.so dont get ot for extra hour and finish normal time.i dont do ot because of child tax credit so time off seems good

I'd love to get that (true flexi-time)

[k979aaa]

my shift monday to friday and i would just need to work the extra hour each morning.when i have done 40hrs will get week off in summer.so dont get ot for extra hour and finish normal time.i dont do ot because of child tax credit so time off seems good

so you do a nine hour day which is what is sound's like five day's a week and did get a week of in the summer is that just one week or if you go sick does this get reduced what happen's if you leave the buisness and when can you take the rest of your leave?. sorry for so many question's just covering all posibilitys please add ronaldo and thank's for your post!.

[DGP1]

How long before we get swipe cards to record our hours at work but at least we will have a digital record of the hours we work. Then we can save up the extra hours worked and whenever it reaches 40hrs we get another week off

[k979aaa]

How long before we get swipe cards to record our hours at work but at least we will have a digital record of the hours we work. Then we can save up the extra hours worked and whenever it reaches 40hrs we get another week off

Is that not what royalmail want but what is to say they royalmail will not lose all record of your time of employment and you will owe them!.

[deadbox]

Our 4 day rural duties are is as follows...

Mon / Tues - 05.30 - 15.30 ( 05.30 to 08.30- prep + IP / 08.30 to 15.30 - Delivery + 50min M.R. )
wed to Fri : 05.30 - 15.50 ( 05.30 to 08.50- prep + IP / 08.50 to 15.50 - Delivery + 50min M.R. )
Sat - 04.30 - 14.30 ( 04.30 to 08.00- prep + IP / 08.00 to 14.30 - Delivery + 30min M.R. )

[k979aaa]

Our 4 day rural duties are is as follows...

Mon / Tues - 05.30 - 15.30 ( 05.30 to 08.30- prep + IP / 08.30 to 15.30 - Delivery + 50min M.R. )
wed to Fri : 05.30 - 15.50 ( 05.30 to 08.50- prep + IP / 08.50 to 15.50 - Delivery + 50min M.R. )
Sat - 04.30 - 14.30 ( 04.30 to 08.00- prep + IP / 08.00 to 14.30 - Delivery + 30min M.R. )

Not to keen on sat finnish time but you are getting you full intitlement on meal brake's which is good to see and you will get three day's off but how's the workload it must be hard doing ten hour's!.