35 hrs oart time/full time

My feet are on fire · Post by **My feet are on fire** » 22 Mar 2018, 08:42

Started on a 24hr contract 3 months ago. Haven't worked less than 36hrs from day one can I ask for a fulltime contract after 6 months?

Post by **POSTMAN** » 22 Mar 2018, 11:06

My feet are on fire wrote:Started on a 24hr contract 3 months ago. Haven't worked less than 36hrs from day one can I ask for a fulltime contract after 6 months?

That is normal for a part timer, what 'should' happen is a review every 6 months (don't know the actual months cause I know that's the next question) where part timers hrs 'duties' are looked at if needed hrs will be put in to 'the office'.
IE A duty will be made full time due to the fact it has had full time hrs added to it regularly.

Then the duty will go up for signing where the most senior in the office who wants it can sign for it.
The chance of 'you' getting a full time job at the mo is very slim due to your seniority.

midvillain · Post by **midvillain** » 23 Mar 2018, 16:01

POSTMAN wrote:
My feet are on fire wrote:Started on a 24hr contract 3 months ago. Haven't worked less than 36hrs from day one can I ask for a fulltime contract after 6 months?
That is normal for a part timer, what 'should' happen is a review every 6 months (don't know the actual months cause I know that's the next question) where part timers hrs 'duties' are looked at if needed hrs will be put in to 'the office'.
IE A duty will be made full time due to the fact it has had full time hrs added to it regularly.

Then the duty will go up for signing where the most senior in the office who wants it can sign for it.
The chance of 'you' getting a full time job at the mo is very slim due to your seniority.

What happens to the duty holder, then?

Post by **rogersh** » 23 Mar 2018, 17:30

The four pillars agreement states. (Pending a yes vote.)

8. Resourcing In Line with Current Agreements
"In respect of part- time workers the following will apply with immediate effect."
Several paragraphs then list the intentions in regard increasing additional hours for part -time workers.

"All adjustments in this regard must be consistent with current agreements...
To ensure a consistent nationwide structure to the six month review process as detailed in our current agreements, it is agreed that all units will conduct these reviews in March and September each year."

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 24 Mar 2018, 07:49

wazer wrote:Currently i gave 35 hr contract.Im still classed as part time not full.When the full timers hrs go down from 39 ,will they be part time.Also do new starteres who start on 35 hrs get classed as full time or part time.

what is your break entitlement?

would be good to know to see what rm have in plan for everyone else after our contracts are reduced?

My feet are on fire · Post by **My feet are on fire** » 24 Mar 2018, 09:06

20 min break entitlement saying that I was told that for 4×6hr shifts so don't know what I should be getting tbh

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 24 Mar 2018, 12:00

My feet are on fire wrote:20 min break entitlement saying that I was told that for 4×6hr shifts so don't know what I should be getting tbh

wow does everyone else see where this is leading ,

" Attendance
length
total
breaks
probable
pattern
less than 2 hours 30 minutes
none (a 10
min grace break should be provided
if work permits)

2 hours 30 to 3 hours
10 mins
10

3 hours 1 to 3 hours 30
15 mins
15

3 hours 31 to 4 hours 59
20 mins
20

5 hours to 7 hours
30 mins
30

7 hours 1 to 8 hours 59
40 mins
40 or 20 +
20

9 hours to 10 hours 59
50 mins
30 + 20
11 hours to 12 hours 59

60 mins
40 + 20 or
30 + 30

13 hours or longer
70 mins
40 + 30 "

http://www.cwumerseyamal.org.uk/Royal%2 ... eement.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

page 23

according to the cwu documentation i have linked to, there doin a number on you.

whats the cwu stance on breaks with this push for a 35 hour working week ?

mr hil. · Post by **mr hil.** » 04 Apr 2018, 16:02

New full time starters (like we ever get any new full time starters anyway) will be paid for 35 hours work (part time pay) but will receive any bonuses etc as if they were full time(100% pro rata). When the old full time posties eventually get down to 35 hours the hourly rate increases with each reduction of hours so in effect the new starter will receive the same pay of the old full timers.

I wonder how the pro rata payments for current part time staff will be calculated though. Will their percentage be calculated from the old full timers hours or the new full timers hours? e.g. 19 hour contract would be 50% pro rata of 38 hour week (fulltime from October 2018) but is 54.2% of 35 hours.....£100 Christmas bonus for full time would be either £50 or £54.28 part time.

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 04 Apr 2018, 22:45

My feet are on fire wrote:20 min break entitlement saying that I was told that for 4×6hr shifts so don't know what I should be getting tbh

30 minute MR for anyone working between 5-7 hour attendance pattern. You have been getting shafted, and if that has been the case for a long time, could add up to hundreds of pounds out of your pocket/ free work given to Royal Mail.

mrgund · Post by **mrgund** » 04 May 2018, 22:46

I've not seen a single 20 hour part-time contract adjusted to full-time.

Realistically will this happen?

Post by **rogersh** » 05 May 2018, 16:08

mrgund wrote:I've not seen a single 20 hour part-time contract adjusted to full-time.

Realistically will this happen?

Yes. according to this extract from the frontline manager briefing pack.

5.
PART-TIME COLLEAGUES
An increase in hourly rate of pay in October 2018 and 2019 to reflect the shorter working
week of full-time colleagues. This is in addition to the pay award for all eligible colleagues.

We will honour our agreements regarding part-time colleagues:

•• Part-time colleagues’ contracted hours will be jointly reviewed every March and
September. Where appropriate, increased contracted hours will be offered to reflect
the hours actually worked and planned.

•• Temporary increases in contracted hours to be offered to part-time colleagues to
manage seasonal variations or peaks in demand.

"Where appropriate, increased contracted hours will be offered to reflect the hours actually worked and planned." (Now where have I seen that written before?)

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 07 May 2018, 16:12

POSTMAN wrote:
My feet are on fire wrote:Started on a 24hr contract 3 months ago. Haven't worked less than 36hrs from day one can I ask for a fulltime contract after 6 months?
That is normal for a part timer, what 'should' happen is a review every 6 months (don't know the actual months cause I know that's the next question) where part timers hrs 'duties' are looked at if needed hrs will be put in to 'the office'.
IE A duty will be made full time due to the fact it has had full time hrs added to it regularly.

Then the duty will go up for signing where the most senior in the office who wants it can sign for it.
The chance of 'you' getting a full time job at the mo is very slim due to your seniority.

In our DO the union rep has chased up initial part time contracts for posties to turn them into full time quite a few times. It has always been negotiated for the actual postie though and not the actual duty. Seniority did not factor into the situation and no signing was required.