When is the ballot?

[gary1975]

Not for me. As Jessie J said "it's all about the money money money"

Don't sell you're soul for a few hundred quid today at the cost of thousands off you pension !

So voting no and having no pension scheme is better ?

Remember the DB scheme closes on 31st March 2018.

Voting no will mean there is no agreed pension solution , Royal Mail will have a auto enrol all of us into the DC scheme.

Of course we would strike but when you recommend voting no be honest and say that your recommending a vote which means we have no agreed pension scheme at all.

Would that be the pants DC scheme that was 'let in' which many members are already in which doesn't have the same employer contributions as the other schemes and
which members with less than 5 years service are going to have to remain with in the interim period STILL with lower employer contributions?

I know having a post 2008 pension is like falling over a cliff thanks guys for not fighting for pensions years ago

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I know having a post 2008 pension is like falling over a cliff thanks guys for not fighting for pensions years ago

We did, the Union separated it for an agreement and this is where we are. Stinks I know, but activists who voted against the agreement lost the vote and there was no way to fight the situation.

[k979aaa]

Not for me. As Jessie J said "it's all about the money money money"

Don't sell you're soul for a few hundred quid today at the cost of thousands off you pension !

So voting no and having no pension scheme is better ?

Remember the DB scheme closes on 31st March 2018.

Voting no will mean there is no agreed pension solution , Royal Mail will have a auto enrol all of us into the DC scheme.

Of course we would strike but when you recommend voting no be honest and say that your recommending a vote which means we have no agreed pension scheme at all.

Oh and it make's a difference bit like voting for Lib Dem's or wet Tories or NEW LABOUR as it was! Well now don't vote for a shite future for you only get one chance at it your time and efforts in the so called business is your efforts and you should be all rewarded for those efforts into your retirement not some half baked scheme which has no regulation or chance of passing regulation into law this is a kick the can down the road solution just as the last pension scheme and pay deal was!

[panch1989]

Because there is an an interim option until it gets approval. John Milledge and Ray Ellis along with their respective pension advisors and legal teams are meeting with the select committee today to present the CDC scheme and explain Royal Mail’s scheme.

Voting no means on the 1st April 2018 anyone who joined before 2008 Pensions fall off the cliff.

That is the point I am making.

So even if we don't like it, we should vote yes just to save our s**t pension anyway? Give over.
This deal has more holes than fancy Swiss cheese.

[BELIAL]

Not for me. As Jessie J said "it's all about the money money money"

Don't sell you're soul for a few hundred quid today at the cost of thousands off you pension !

So voting no and having no pension scheme is better ?

Remember the DB scheme closes on 31st March 2018.

Voting no will mean there is no agreed pension solution , Royal Mail will have a auto enrol all of us into the DC scheme.

Of course we would strike but when you recommend voting no be honest and say that your recommending a vote which means we have no agreed pension scheme at all.

So you ballot the membership and strike on 31ST of March and nothing gets delivered until everything is delivered and a pension scheme is agreed.Why are our so called representatives always presenting us with a skewed fait de complit

[cavendish9027]

The important question still hasn't been answered, when would the back dated pay rise be paid out?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The important question still hasn't been answered, when would the back dated pay rise be paid out?

Its difficult to pin down a date as there are so many variables:

1. They need to wait to see if the deal is voted in.
2. They'll have to wait till the CWU officially inform them
3. They need to set up the pay rise on the payroll.
4. They need to do a "practice" pay run to ensure all the changes are stable before they run a live one.
5. They'll need to double check entitlements for recent leavers.

At a guess, this should take a week to 10 days, so my guess is we'll get it on 6 April.

[Coinbags]

Because there is an an interim option until it gets approval. John Milledge and Ray Ellis along with their respective pension advisors and legal teams are meeting with the select committee today to present the CDC scheme and explain Royal Mail’s scheme.

Voting no means on the 1st April 2018 anyone who joined before 2008 Pensions fall off the cliff.

That is the point I am making.

Nice one union !

All corners covered then !

[k979aaa]

Because there is an an interim option until it gets approval. John Milledge and Ray Ellis along with their respective pension advisors and legal teams are meeting with the select committee today to present the CDC scheme and explain Royal Mail’s scheme.

Voting no means on the 1st April 2018 anyone who joined before 2008 Pensions fall off the cliff.

That is the point I am making.

Nice one union !

All corners covered then !

This whole new piss pot pension is just that it will evaporate nothing is guaranteed only poverty in your old age whilst the fat cats raid the pensions to fund themselves!

[panch1989]

The important question still hasn't been answered, when would the back dated pay rise be paid out?

A little lump of money now and you sell your future away. It's not an important question at all. The important question is "why are we being sold a lump of coal as if it's a diamond?"

[Binsey]

I know having a post 2008 pension is like falling over a cliff thanks guys for not fighting for pensions years ago

We did, the Union separated it for an agreement and this is where we are. Stinks I know, but activists who voted against the agreement lost the vote and there was no way to fight the situation.

They also separated Delivery issues too.
Hence where we are now.

[k979aaa]

12 March PAPERS GO OUT &
But don't be deceived by the spin most of the agreement is pants some small bits good pay element which is what most focus on but the pensions and other issues have been kicked down the road nothing done about big issues including B&H Non payment of overtime but pensions for all is the worst for all come on 67 years till you retire in delivery who make's this s**t up?

[cavendish9027]

The important question still hasn't been answered, when would the back dated pay rise be paid out?

A little lump of money now and you sell your future away. It's not an important question at all. The important question is "why are we being sold a lump of coal as if it's a diamond?"

A little lump sum is an important thing. I have worked for royal mail for over 9 years and I'm no closer to a full time contract than the day I started. I don't know what your circumstances are but managing a mortgage (in one of the most expensive cities in the country) and raising 2 children is far from a walk in the park on 30 hours a week

[panch1989]

The important question still hasn't been answered, when would the back dated pay rise be paid out?

A little lump of money now and you sell your future away. It's not an important question at all. The important question is "why are we being sold a lump of coal as if it's a diamond?"

A little lump sum is an important thing. I have worked for royal mail for over 9 years and I'm no closer to a full time contract than the day I started. I don't know what your circumstances are but managing a mortgage (in one of the most expensive cities in the country) and raising 2 children is far from a walk in the park on 30 hours a week

25 hour contract, mortgage, kids and approximately 38 years left with RM with their new pension age of 67.
Work Wally weeks, 5 of the 6 work 60+ hours a week to then have to work a few days of the week off to get on by, annual leave results in a huge loss of earnings. However I won't be misguided by a payrise when the rest of the agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on.

[exetererica]

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