Are we on a road to devalue the company to force a change in the USO?

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 11 Sep 2017, 20:12

jetblack wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
wacko74 wrote:Genuine question regarding 1st and 2nd Class mail... how is DSA treated?

I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is that under the USO we have to treat ALL DSA mail as 1st class?!
Yep, and once the mail reaches the inward MC (your local MC) everything that they send out to you is due for delivery that day (ecept d2ds). The difference between 1st and 2nd class is built into when it arrives at the inward MC.
Another genuine question. I've never worked in processing so its all a bit mysterious to me - but when you receive incoming mail how is 1st class treated differently to 2nd class ? Customers have asked me this in the past and I've been at a loss to explain. Does 2nd class get put to one side for a day or what ?

1st: Posted day A, processed day A, sent to inward MC, processed by Inward MC overnight day A/ early morning day B, delivered by DOs day B
2nd: Posted day A, put to one side, processed day B, sent to inward MC, processed by Inward MC overnight day B/ early morning day C, delivered by DOs day C

jetblack · Post by **jetblack** » 11 Sep 2017, 20:34

Thanks - thats cleared that up after all these years. I think a lot of people suspected that they all went through the same, whether 1st or 2nd.
Seems a bit inefficient putting the 2nd to one side for a day. Still, product differentiation and all that. For the extra time it takes it'd be as well to send them through all the same (1st and 2nd), if you see what I mean.

Post by **Lounge Lizard** » 11 Sep 2017, 21:54

I've noticed many Second Class packets, stamped and horizon labelled, that are delivered the next day so it looks as if Mail Centres can't be bothered to segregate the packets.

heapsy · Post by **heapsy** » 19 Sep 2017, 17:24

A year ago last January, I was at a meeting at the Mechanics Institute, in Manchester. All the big boys from the union were there, except Dave Ward. We were told that during a meeting with Moya Greene, she mentioned losing a days delivery. The union had told her to keep her hands off Saturdays, to which she replied, "who said anything about Saturdays?"
Tbh, I can see it coming. I really believe that CWU made a huge mistake when we went to 5 day working, in its current form. Together with CMA they should have approached RM and lobbied government to scale back Saturdays. We could be doing parcels and specials, and a limited amount of prep. Hours taken form that day could have been put on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. It is too late now. Back then we didn't have to defend as many jobs. With the internet, things have changed and it will be the demise of a vast percentage of the mail we deliver. This, I feel, will lead to many jobs going.

Post by **Lounge Lizard** » 19 Sep 2017, 19:09

heapsy wrote:A year ago last January, I was at a meeting at the Mechanics Institute, in Manchester. All the big boys from the union were there, except Dave Ward. We were told that during a meeting with Moya Greene, she mentioned losing a days delivery. The union had told her to keep her hands off Saturdays, to which she replied, "who said anything about Saturdays?"
Tbh, I can see it coming. I really believe that CWU made a huge mistake when we went to 5 day working, in its current form. Together with CMA they should have approached RM and lobbied government to scale back Saturdays. We could be doing parcels and specials, and a limited amount of prep. Hours taken form that day could have been put on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. It is too late now. Back then we didn't have to defend as many jobs. With the internet, things have changed and it will be the demise of a vast percentage of the mail we deliver. This, I feel, will lead to many jobs going.

By "The union had told her to keep her hands off Saturdays" are you saying that the CWU suggested RM could give up delivering one weekday but not give up Saturday deliveries ?

heapsy · Post by **heapsy** » 19 Sep 2017, 19:22

Lounge Lizard wrote:
heapsy wrote:A year ago last January, I was at a meeting at the Mechanics Institute, in Manchester. All the big boys from the union were there, except Dave Ward. We were told that during a meeting with Moya Greene, she mentioned losing a days delivery. The union had told her to keep her hands off Saturdays, to which she replied, "who said anything about Saturdays?"
Tbh, I can see it coming. I really believe that CWU made a huge mistake when we went to 5 day working, in its current form. Together with CMA they should have approached RM and lobbied government to scale back Saturdays. We could be doing parcels and specials, and a limited amount of prep. Hours taken form that day could have been put on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. It is too late now. Back then we didn't have to defend as many jobs. With the internet, things have changed and it will be the demise of a vast percentage of the mail we deliver. This, I feel, will lead to many jobs going.
By "The union had told her to keep her hands off Saturdays" are you saying that the CWU suggested RM could give up delivering one weekday but not give up Saturday deliveries ?

Moyas response came when the union told her about Saturdays. Tbh, I don't think they anticipated her saying that. And as far as I know, didn't suggest it. In the U.S.A, they have either done away with, or are considering doing away with a delivery day, the U.S postal service is apparently, on its arse.
It concerns me that the CWU may be too pig headed, to accept that MAYBE, some jobs may have to go. I'm concerned that it could lead us into part time contracts, in order to defend jobs.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 19 Sep 2017, 19:43

I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 2-3 years if we have normal deliveries on a Sunday as well but perhaps with people employed on Saturday and Sunday only contracts

heapsy · Post by **heapsy** » 19 Sep 2017, 20:19

SpacePhoenix wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 2-3 years if we have normal deliveries on a Sunday as well but perhaps with people employed on Saturday and Sunday only contracts

At a neighbouring office, they did have, and as far as I know, still do have someone on a 7 hour, Saturday only contract. Unless it has changed. You might be right. The supermarkets no longer pay overtime for Sundays. They have brought people in on contracts that stipulate Sundays, as part of the working week.

Post by **Lounge Lizard** » 19 Sep 2017, 20:51

heapsy wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 2-3 years if we have normal deliveries on a Sunday as well but perhaps with people employed on Saturday and Sunday only contracts
At a neighbouring office, they did have, and as far as I know, still do have someone on a 7 hour, Saturday only contract. Unless it has changed. You might be right. The supermarkets no longer pay overtime for Sundays. They have brought people in on contracts that stipulate Sundays, as part of the working week.

Yes, there are quite a few employed just working Saturdays, some content doing that and others hoping it leads to more days a week.

Alexei · Post by **Alexei** » 21 Sep 2017, 10:13

Person in my work got his hours reduced to work a Saturday, as he was at uni during the week.

Also, there's not a chance in hell we will lose a Saturday delivery. If anything, we would be likely to substitute Tuesday, for a Sunday delivery, and to be honest, although I probably wouldn't enjoy a Sunday shift, it's the way forward for RM.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 21 Sep 2017, 19:12

Alexei wrote:Person in my work got his hours reduced to work a Saturday, as he was at uni during the week.

Also, there's not a chance in hell we will lose a Saturday delivery. If anything, we would be likely to substitute Tuesday, for a Sunday delivery, and to be honest, although I probably wouldn't enjoy a Sunday shift, it's the way forward for RM.

I can't see any day being axed entirely more likely just specials and Tracked on the day that they want to reduce