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Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

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rainbowwarrior72
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by rainbowwarrior72 »

I've done 24years and I say to all you less senior people whilst I understand how you feel Screw you I've earned my senority I done my time and it's one of the best things to come out from The New Way Forward in 2000. Besides transfers are very rare now :nana
Trolleyed
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by Trolleyed »

Not quite done my first year yet so am obviously last in line in our office. I do have my own duty but it's part time. It's growing quickly as it incorporates an ongoing development. When it's large enough to be made full time i will most probably lose it. Sucks but that's the way it is. i won't be last forever and I can't see a fairer way really.
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

rainbowwarrior72 wrote:I've done 24years and I say to all you less senior people whilst I understand how you feel Screw you I've earned my senority I done my time and it's one of the best things to come out from The New Way Forward in 2000. Besides transfers are very rare now :nana

also ft transfers are even rarer now as if you transfered to an office chanced are it would only be a pt vacancy availible as a pt staff member would get any ft vacancy before you were allowed to tf in
wannabeek
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by wannabeek »

A few colleagues have looked into transfers. All of them are full time. They'd keep their seniority if they moved but would have to drop to a 24 hr contract. I think that's fair enough if it's a voluntary move, isn't it?
thewayforwardarse
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by thewayforwardarse »

don't worry about it , the way postmen are falling , failing or dying you will be soon up the ladder
Grahammatthews
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by Grahammatthews »

Should be no seniority anyway I have done 26 years and wouldn't care if I lost it. Saying that makes no difference when u hold the position I do.
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by In The Know »

Grahammatthews wrote:Should be no seniority anyway I have done 26 years and wouldn't care if I lost it. Saying that makes no difference when u hold the position I do.
Obvs troll :dance
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by Grahammatthews »

Think what u like but it means nothing now. People get what they won't by saying they have a disability
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by lucky escape »

I transferred 1 year ago from an office I had worked in for 11 years. I split with my civil partner who also worked in my previous office and has been there for 6 years. I did not want to go,I had good friends in and out of work there. I was in several clubs and groups and was very happy in the area. We tried to work together after our split but due to my ex's behaviour and the police being involved the management and I decided it was the best course of action.
I'm very happy in my new office,my workmates are very friendly and helpful towards me but we are going through a resign at the moment.I know that some of the staff below me are unhappy that I have now 'bumped' them down the list,but I did 3 years of collections before being given the chance to go full time. I then spent the next 8 years as a reserve,every tuesday off,no saturdays ever and being swapped last minute onto another duty. It's crap we all know that and even in this resign I don't think I'll even get a float job.
I guess what I'm trying to say is not everyone wants to transfer,it's not easy when it's not what you want to do and if,after 11 years of crappy dutys and crappy treatment, there's a tiny chance that I can sign for something that means I will know my day off before 2pm saturday every week them I'm gona bloody take it! :wink:
IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

lucky escape wrote:I transferred 1 year ago from an office I had worked in for 11 years. I split with my civil partner who also worked in my previous office and has been there for 6 years. I did not want to go,I had good friends in and out of work there. I was in several clubs and groups and was very happy in the area. We tried to work together after our split but due to my ex's behaviour and the police being involved the management and I decided it was the best course of action.
I'm very happy in my new office,my workmates are very friendly and helpful towards me but we are going through a resign at the moment.I know that some of the staff below me are unhappy that I have now 'bumped' them down the list,but I did 3 years of collections before being given the chance to go full time. I then spent the next 8 years as a reserve,every tuesday off,no saturdays ever and being swapped last minute onto another duty. It's crap we all know that and even in this resign I don't think I'll even get a float job.
I guess what I'm trying to say is not everyone wants to transfer,it's not easy when it's not what you want to do and if,after 11 years of crappy dutys and crappy treatment, there's a tiny chance that I can sign for something that means I will know my day off before 2pm saturday every week them I'm gona bloody take it! :wink:
When you transferred into the new office did you keep your full time hours or did you have to go part time until this resign?
debs6363
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by debs6363 »

I was of the understanding that although you do take your seniority with you if you transfer to another office, it doesn't come into play for the first six months.So if you transfer in January and there is a resign in April, you will be bottom of the list. But if the resign happens in July, your seniority counts.
I transferred a few years ago from an office I had been in for 9 years, to be nearer my mother who was terminally ill. It was my choice to move and I had to drop from full time hours to 30 hours a week for 8 months until a full time duty came up. It was a struggle coping on a part time salary, but you do what you have to do.
I'm sure that some of my colleagues noses were put out of joint when I transferred, worrying about their pick of annual leave and duties that come up for signing. But we don't make the rules, there are plenty of things that go on that we don't all see as being fair. One day those who see it as being unfair may find themselves in a position where they want/need to transfer. I wonder if they would want to use their right to seniority then?
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

debs6363 wrote:I was of the understanding that although you do take your seniority with you if you transfer to another office, it doesn't come into play for the first six months.So if you transfer in January and there is a resign in April, you will be bottom of the list. But if the resign happens in July, your seniority counts.
I transferred a few years ago from an office I had been in for 9 years, to be nearer my mother who was terminally ill. It was my choice to move and I had to drop from full time hours to 30 hours a week for 8 months until a full time duty came up. It was a struggle coping on a part time salary, but you do what you have to do.
I'm sure that some of my colleagues noses were put out of joint when I transferred, worrying about their pick of annual leave and duties that come up for signing. But we don't make the rules, there are plenty of things that go on that we don't all see as being fair. One day those who see it as being unfair may find themselves in a position where they want/need to transfer. I wonder if they would want to use their right to seniority then?
your seniority applies from day 1, not a six month wait.

also why are people worried about their pick of annual leave because of your transfer? should have absolutely no bearing on it
debs6363
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by debs6363 »

Because in our office, annual leave is given based on seniority. i.e. those who have been there the longest get first pick on annual leave
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

debs6363 wrote:Because in our office, annual leave is given based on seniority. i.e. those who have been there the longest get first pick on annual leave

annual leave is not allowed to done this way, it's specifically forbidden under national agreements
greengiant
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Re: Keeping seniority when moving offices is wrong!!

Post by greengiant »

Grahammatthews wrote:Think what u like but it means nothing now. People get what they won't by saying they have a disability
That is an outrageous comment! :evil/mad