Advice for a colleague

[Mr_Pink]

The 6 month abatement of wages shouldn't happen if it was an AOD.

Is there anything in writing regarding this, so I can point him in the right direction

[postypie]

you can carry on working with a full acl tear and cartlidge damage so he wouldn't need to be off work. he just needs to balance it by being a bit more careful whilst working

Just the sort of thing a manager would come out with.

[rehabron]

If your colleagues doctor and OH assist recommendation is that your colleague is diagnosed that he is unfit for work and OH Assist as RM Occupational Health Provider is not slow in coming forward in preparing a rehabilitation programme in an effort to get employees back to work earlier then that is the end of the matter and even then RM has stated that their is no suitable work for him in his present condition.
The Accident at work has been recorded and an ERICA completed so your colleague now needs to complete the necessary documents or claim for compensation which would include a loss off earnings when he exceeds the duration of 6 months and is reduced to half pay.
Consult with your union rep on this matter with the possibility of a referral to Simpson + Millar who are the claim specialists appointed by CWU.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

The 6 month abatement of wages shouldn't happen if it was an AOD.

That's incorrect, occupational sick pay can be stopped or reduced regardless of whether it was an accident on duty, it all depends on the circumstances

[Mr_Pink]

If your colleagues doctor and OH assist recommendation is that your colleague is diagnosed that he is unfit for work and OH Assist as RM Occupational Health Provider is not slow in coming forward in preparing a rehabilitation programme in an effort to get employees back to work earlier then that is the end of the matter and even then RM has stated that their is no suitable work for him in his present condition.
The Accident at work has been recorded and an ERICA completed so your colleague now needs to complete the necessary documents or claim for compensation which would include a loss off earnings when he exceeds the duration of 6 months and is reduced to half pay.
Consult with your union rep on this matter with the possibility of a referral to Simpson + Millar who are the claim specialists appointed by CWU.

Simpson & Millar are handling a claim for him, but have advised it won't be settled for at least 24 months

[wabbithunta]

I was off work with my leg immobilised for eight weeks at the start, then I had rehab/physio work so total time off for me was about six months as I had complications with my injury. ACL/Cruciate injury aligned with a shin fracture and broken kneecap, followed up with a ruptured blood vessel in the knee caused by a tiny bone fragment in the joint!
I found it really hard to sit down with a "stiff" leg.. at the time I had my injury it was encased in a full length plaster-cast from my thigh to my ankle to ensure my leg was kept immobile to aid recovery. Even getting about on crutches was awkward to say the least. As for getting up and down stairs, standing up and/or sitting down that was trouble and work for me was out of the question. I wasn't an office worker, but if I was I may have been able to do some work... possibly

RM would try to get you back to work asap.. even with the injury I had I bet!

[henry7]

I've had the operation so know what it entails you can work until the operation with care then after the op you will need at least 3 months off. I did walks and collections until the operation and followed the advice of the consultant so was thinking if the colleague was worried about sick pay, perhaps go back to work on a ohs program or stay off sick with no pay choice is his

[Mr_Pink]

perhaps go back to work on a ohs program or stay off sick with no pay choice is his

Despite the Dr, OH assist and RM saying he's not fit for work?

[clashcityrocker]

The 6 month abatement of wages shouldn't happen if it was an AOD.

That's incorrect, occupational sick pay can be stopped or reduced regardless of whether it was an accident on duty, it all depends on the circumstances

It might be incorrect.
The original post asked if the 6 month rule of half pay still applied if the absence was a result of an AOD.
Now assuming this was a genuine AOD, with no amount of blame apportioned to the OPG, I believe (vaguely remember) the 6 month rule doesn't apply.
I can't (yet) find it in writing.
Maybe you can.

[clashcityrocker]

Maybe this:
An employee who incurs sick absence directly due to injuries received in robberies or attempted robberies on Royal Mail Group, or from a bomb attack or assault on duty with no fault by the employee, will be allowed sick pay at the same rates as above, except that full rate sick pay will be provided should the spell of absence extend beyond six months (26 weeks). The entire period of such an absence will be ignored when applying the maximum limits on sick pay across any period of four years.

Sick Absence due to Industrial Injury or Disease
An employee who incurs sick absence directly due to an industrial injury sustained, or to a prescribed industrial disease contracted, at work on or after 1 January 1979 will be allowed sick pay at the same rates as above. However during the first six months (26 weeks) of any such absence the overall limits on sick pay across four years will not apply. The first six months (26 weeks) of any such absence will also be ignored when applying these maximum limits on sick pay across any period of four years. Any continued absence beyond six months will be paid according to personal entitlement and reckoned normally.
The business reserves the right to satisfy itself on the advice of its medical advisers that absences are properly and directly attributable to injury sustained or disease contracted at work. The allowance of full rate sick pay is subject to all of the following conditions:
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The injury or disease must not be due to the employee's own serious and culpable negligence or misconduct
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The injury or disease must be accepted by the DWP (Department of Work & Pensions, formerly the DSS) as being due to an industrial accident, or classified as an industrial disease
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Employees must comply with the general conditions for sick pay set out above

[Mr_Pink]

Thanks for that clash I'll let him know, you couldn't let me know where that is from so he can point his rep/DOM in the right direction.

[clashcityrocker]

Thanks for that clash I'll let him know, you couldn't let me know where that is from so he can point his rep/DOM in the right direction.

If you put "sick policy" into the search function and select downloads, the first post is the pdf I lifted the text from.

[noggin1969]

Talking from experience I had a AOD resulted in a tear in the ACL & medial meniscus. I carried on with my driving rural duty although I was dosed up on pain killers. Took 6 mnths before I had the athroscopy after that it was 2 wk S/L and 2 wks light duties. After the op the sooner you can get up and about the better. If they could get light duties before the op I would advise it though.

[Mr_Pink]

Thanks for that clash I'll let him know, you couldn't let me know where that is from so he can point his rep/DOM in the right direction.

If you put "sick policy" into the search function and select downloads, the first post is the pdf I lifted the text from.

Found it ta

Feel sorry for the guy, he really wants to get back to work, but no-one wants to let him, yet, as others have noted, RM/OH assist normally can't wait to drag you off your sick bed and get you back to work.

[Postie45]

I've had the operation so know what it entails you can work until the operation with care then after the op you will need at least 3 months off. I did walks and collections until the operation and followed the advice of the consultant so was thinking if the colleague was worried about sick pay, perhaps go back to work on a ohs program or stay off sick with no pay choice is his

you followed the advice of a consultant who told you that you could perform at a limited capacity with extra care, HIS consultant is telling him that he cant do even such tasks. We know next to nothing about how the injury is affecting him compared to what happened to you. Do you really expect him to follow medical advice from someone with 2 posts on an internet message board over someone trained in the field ?