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so who is still voting no...

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fishtank
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Re: so who is still voting no...

Post by fishtank »

aiden01 wrote:apoligies if you think i.m trying to blame reps but if this agreement is vote in we all know that mc staff or in the minority so del staff will only have themselves to blame.
Definitely not mailcentre staff to blame but not really themselves to blame either. The majority of staff who vote will take their advice from their reps or branch or both and they are being advised by HQ that this deal is wonderful so the bottom line is if the deal fails to produce the goods on delivery the members will probably justifiably blame the reps,the branches and the union as a whole.

That's the risk you take when you oversell a deal rather than take a pragmatic,honest approach. You tend to set yourself up for a fall. If these delivery "reviews" go the way I think they will with the employer making far more visible gains than we do then resentment can only grow towards the union and the decision to put an agreement to members without resolving the delivery issues will be seen as a sell out of those members.

I've heard some absolute garbage from senior reps over the last few weeks about how the relationship will change now and managers will start following procedures and the business is heading in a new direction, To be honest it's as if they've been missing for the last 20 years and there is nothing in the reality of what the business is facing that will make any of that nonsense come true.

I'm not defending them but the pressure on front line managers and delivery office managers can only increase exponentially over the next few years, pressure to save money and cut costs and too many of them lack the training and the basic management skills to deal with that ramping up of expectations without resorting to bullying their staff. Both the business and the union to a certain extent are in denial as to the scale of the problems on delivery from the flawed tools and measurement to the flawed implementation of revisions and to be honest the whole thing needs an "out of the box" rethink instead of just applying more layers of failure on top of each other.

We are where we are and the deal will go through but it might have been wise for the union to take a step back from the sales pitch and try to imagine where we might be in 12 months and how the membership, especially on delivery might feel about that, who they might blame and how many of them might be looking for another use for their subs.
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Re: so who is still voting no...

Post by dvbuk55 »

This deal is probably more convoluted than the last and will only add power to the managers to exert even greater pressure to both full and part time staff in an ever increasing necessity to hit unrealistic targets with fewer staff. I believe we are up to 12 persons under strength and it would be interesting to see how many other offices are under strength and running on fumes.................that being the sweat of those required to fill in.
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Re: so who is still voting no...

Post by NewPostieUK »

fishtank wrote:
aiden01 wrote:no.one can force you to do overtime.
And a part-timer trying to earn a living says no once and gets passed over for OT for a month.
Or a fixed-term contract gets that "well you do know your contract is up for renewal soon"
Or even a permanent member of staff gets the old "well the computer says you should be able to do that in time and bob the flyer can do it so maybe the problem is you....".

It's easy to say no-one can force you to do overtime but deliveries isn't like a mailcentre where the clock rules your workload, out here in deliveryland the workload can rule the clock and the level of representation in some offices and branches is piss poor.
Exactly. There's more to it than 'Growing a pair'. You can finish on time any day you like, but suffer the consequences.