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why do you bother dingo?

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OnAFlyer
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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Danelectro wrote:
OnAFlyer wrote: I agree fully with the OP, yes there are some horrible days weather wise but overall we get paid very well for what we do. I actually laugh when I read posts like 'I collapse in a chair at the end of my shift' and 'This job has broken my body' :chuckle
Seems you have landed pretty lucky with the delivery office and workloads that you have.I agree that you can only make judgements on whatever office you work in but I live in a major city and know members in all the offices in it and nobody thinks the job is a jolly up any more.There are some folk that breeze through the job while most get by/struggle and it depends on varying factors with the one constant being poor management but theres one thing for sure if every member was onaflyer then more work for the same pay would be coming your way so maybe you need the 'retards' more than they need you.
It isn't a jolly up on my office, I've cut off almost every day for 3 weeks now and I'm not slow in the least and neither is my P&L partner - I do realise however that a good manager (and we do have one so they do exist) is a massive part of the battle. We also have a lot of posties who are good at their job and have no problem telling the manager they're cutting off, and none of them would be worried about any performance tests. We will stand up for other staff as well who are having issues if they aren't confident of doing it themselves.

But, I do feel for the ones in crap offices with crap managers, and where many of the staff won't or are unable to stand up for themselves. At some point though they have to make their voice heard to the CWU no matter what level they need to go to, and they have to do it on an individual office basis because many offices simply don't have those issues.

Btw I chose my username when it was job and knock, I'd fly round and finish early every day just like many of us did. These days? I start on time, take my breaks, work at a good pace and finish on time with a bit of flex here and there if I don't have to be somewhere. The job has changed and you have to change with it because the days of finishing 2 hours early aren't ever coming back.

Ironically the ones who start early are mainly the slow ones and not the runners - but I've said elsewhere that I don't actually begrudge them for doing it, they are aware they'd struggle if starting on time so they just want to do their days work without hassle, even if it takes longer than the time they're given for it. I have no problem with that, it just winds me up when I'm on IPS and someone is next to me sorting 5 letters per minute.
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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borders wrote:where the hell does it say all that then Mr Fury ? maybe you missed this part of the agreement -

7. Legally Binding Commitments
The terms set out in the legally binding agreement represent a legally binding commitment to utilise and exhaust these new processes alongside the IR Framework without recourse to unilateral management action or CWU industrial action in accordance with the principles of the existing IR Framework.

I know what the proposed agreement says but apparently the above paragraph is not acceptable to some who want all the benefits of the deal "without tying it to strike clauses and introducing untried mediation". I just wonder what RM would be getting out of such a deal.
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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OnAFlyer wrote:Ironically the ones who start early are mainly the slow ones and not the runners - but I've said elsewhere that I don't actually begrudge them for doing it, they are aware they'd struggle if starting on time so they just want to do their days work without hassle, even if it takes longer than the time they're given for it. I have no problem with that
Good post which reflects the fact that there are good offices (albeit not well run else you wouldn't be cutting off) with decent managers.

I have to disagree with the sentence above as the OPG grade is hourly paid and in my opinion staff should be paid for the hours that they attend. It really doesn't matter that the early starters are the poorer performing staff members because if their is a need for them to do this they either need further development/training or the BSI/budgetary aspirations of the unit needs lowering. The practise of coming in early, working your breaks etc etc corrupts the base data upon which future revisions are based so it is no wonder that there are so many offices which struggle to cover their workload.
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

Post by mark02 »

Godric wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:Great post rennie :Very Happy

obviously you don't do a delivery walk so you don't have to face the consequences of this deal
I do a delivery and like the man said , just look at the job as a nice stroll for which u get paid well! If you are suffering from b/h then you need to stand up for yourself.......................what are you ? A man or a mouse? Enjoy :nana
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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Godric wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:Great post rennie :Very Happy

obviously you don't do a delivery walk so you don't have to face the consequences of this deal
You really got to get off this delivery job being probably the hardest job out there. At least I can say I have done most jobs and have done delivery. Maybe it's time you had a change!
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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Brain Fury wrote:[


I know what the proposed agreement says but apparently the above paragraph is not acceptable to some who want all the benefits of the deal "without tying it to strike clauses and introducing untried mediation". I just wonder what RM would be getting out of such a deal.
Maybe you should answer what Royal Mail are getting out of this proposed deal first because it seems that some are making out that Royal Mail get nothing and the board are going-Jesus! look what that Moyas gone and done! the workers have us at their mercy! mama bloody mia!I better tell the locus the bad news!

Like most things in life you judge things by experience and my experience of the joint working relationship style between Royal Mail and the CWU hasn't given me much hope that the fairytale proposed agreement will have a happy ending.After witnessing recent grievances and the mediation involved and the farcical outcomes then its a big ask to believe everythings gonna be tickety-boo.Its all a bit too Hollywood and I would be more inclined to consider voting for it if the union admitted that because its 'groundbreaking its also untried and that comes with risks etc
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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Danelectro wrote:
Brain Fury wrote:[


I know what the proposed agreement says but apparently the above paragraph is not acceptable to some who want all the benefits of the deal "without tying it to strike clauses and introducing untried mediation". I just wonder what RM would be getting out of such a deal.
Maybe you should answer what Royal Mail are getting out of this proposed deal first because it seems that some are making out that Royal Mail get nothing and the board are going-Jesus! look what that Moyas gone and done! the workers have us at their mercy! mama bloody mia!I better tell the locus the bad news!

Like most things in life you judge things by experience and my experience of the joint working relationship style between Royal Mail and the CWU hasn't given me much hope that the fairytale proposed agreement will have a happy ending.After witnessing recent grievances and the mediation involved and the farcical outcomes then its a big ask to believe everythings gonna be tickety-boo.Its all a bit too Hollywood and I would be more inclined to consider voting for it if the union admitted that because its 'groundbreaking its also untried and that comes with risks etc
It's obvious what Royal Mail is getting out of the proposed deal. That's not my question. I want to know what RM would be getting out the kind of deal you proposed earlier in which there were no undertakings from the CWU about future strike action or anything else. Seems rather one sided to me so why would RM agree to it?
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

Post by Godric »

cloherty1976 wrote:
Godric wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:Great post rennie :Very Happy

obviously you don't do a delivery walk so you don't have to face the consequences of this deal
You really got to get off this delivery job being probably the hardest job out there. At least I can say I have done most jobs and have done delivery. Maybe it's time you had a change!

never said it was the hardest ... what I am saying is in our office we have had a failed revision that does not clearly work ... we agreed 4 hrs 15 delivery spans instead we got 5hrs plus with promises that they would sort any problems out ... they never and the equipment provided is poor HCT's MK2s which are f*cking *rap and we still haven't received our final payment along with several other offices in our area .... so why should I be happy ??
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

Post by fishtank »

Not sure what this thread is about.
Is it moaning at the moaners again?
We've had more moaning about the moaners than actual moaning lately.
It's getting very old...or am I just moaning about the moaning about the moaners? :cuppa
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Budfrog
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

Post by Budfrog »

fishtank wrote:Not sure what this thread is about.
Is it moaning at the moaners again?
We've had more moaning about the moaners than actual moaning lately.
It's getting very old...or am I just moaning about the moaning about the moaners? :cuppa
You are being quite positive about all these double negatives FT :dance but then when some posters think deliveries is just "A Nice Walk" or "A Well Paid Paper Round" it's a wonder they bother visiting RMC at all.
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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Rennie wrote: Thanks CWU. Thanks Dingo!
Thanks Rennie!
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

Post by cloherty1976 »

dvbuk55 wrote:
Rennie wrote: Thanks CWU. Thanks Dingo!
Thanks Rennie!
Surely you got to thank Royal Mail too!
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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cloherty1976 wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:
Rennie wrote: Thanks CWU. Thanks Dingo!
Thanks Rennie!
Surely you got to thank Royal Mail too!
No! you have to draw the line somewhere!
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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dvbuk55 wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:
Rennie wrote: Thanks CWU. Thanks Dingo!
Thanks Rennie!
Surely you got to thank Royal Mail too!
No! you have to draw the line somewhere!
They are the ones paying you!
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Re: why do you bother dingo?

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cloherty1976 wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:
cloherty1976 wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:
Rennie wrote: Thanks CWU. Thanks Dingo!
Thanks Rennie!
Surely you got to thank Royal Mail too!
No! you have to draw the line somewhere!
They are the ones paying you!
not out of the goodness of thier heart though.
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