Urgent - Work Measurement/Standards and Revision Tools

[drb]

They have told us at senior management level that "Rush culture is a myth". NO they have been profiting from it!!!!

[Martin Walsh]

As someone who has dealt with many delivery office mergers , all of which has happened before this agreement , I fail to see why people believe that this agreement will increase them.

The fact is that Royal Mail will continue to look at bigger office mergers especially if it can sweat the assets and assists in their automation strategy with a few offices within an MPU.

Royal Mail in London decided they would put 5 offices from the w2-w14 area into a purpose built site in North West London NW10 .

Why do we need a national briefing ? What we need is for all the issues to be resolved first and then a national briefing. I can tell you exactly what would happen if we had a national briefing now the same unusal suspects from the swp will get up and most of the other debate will be on mail centre closures.

As someone who supports unit reps I think divisions should hold regular unit rep meetings , yes its easy for us in London due to the transport links but divisional reps should tour the branch committee meetings.

DRB it would not work having unit reps at divisonal meetings there are 179 unit reps in London alone , plus area reps and Branch secretaries it would not deal the issues in the right way.

Now in terms of the work which has been carried out so far how can someone say its a mess that is simply untrue what this actually shows is Royal Mail are involving the union.

Now why cant revisions move ahead , version 6.25 is accurate at the moment as is geo route 2008 and you can adjust your revision if a new version comes out , in any case you have post implementation review.

[fishtank]

As someone who has dealt with many delivery office mergers , all of which has happened before this agreement , I fail to see why people believe that this agreement will increase them.

Park&loop dingo......it's not rocket science.
A far more mobile workforce makes the logistics of closing a town centre D.O. and moving out to an industrial estate much simpler.
The business needs the money desperately now....the assets are there...you would have to be an idiot not to follow that through.
Do you think that idiots are running the company?

[drb]

Dingo

Reps do not want to fall into the same trap as the P&M agreement 2007. Even good reps are struggling with the businesses interpretation of that agreement,not month after month,but week after week.
The LTB here raises a lot of questions,and to be honest,nothing is concrete.Yes the IWT tool can be changed,and I would know what to say,and what to do. I am also aware of the parameters in Geo Route and the DMT,(Duty Modeling Tool). However I can just imagine what an office without a rep,or an office with a rep who has been given an easy duty,what will happen.

Your role to support reps is brilliant,and it's something I have been fighting for in general across many branches.However this is not the case,there-fore the enclosed LTB will anger people on this site becuase they know what will happen in their office straight away. My view is simple. A restructure of divisional and branch area reps,in that the area rep is in direct communication with HQ. One or two reps per branch would be bounced around per office to assist the unit rep. Yes it is changing the old guard,but this deal was about change not just with OPG's but the business and the union.

[guvenor]

As someone who has dealt with many delivery office mergers , all of which has happened before this agreement , I fail to see why people believe that this agreement will increase them.

The fact is that Royal Mail will continue to look at bigger office mergers especially if it can sweat the assets and assists in their automation strategy with a few offices within an MPU.

Royal Mail in London decided they would put 5 offices from the w2-w14 area into a purpose built site in North West London NW10 .

Why do we need a national briefing ? What we need is for all the issues to be resolved first and then a national briefing. I can tell you exactly what would happen if we had a national briefing now the same unusal suspects from the swp will get up and most of the other debate will be on mail centre closures.

As someone who supports unit reps I think divisions should hold regular unit rep meetings , yes its easy for us in London due to the transport links but divisional reps should tour the branch committee meetings.

DRB it would not work having unit reps at divisonal meetings there are 179 unit reps in London alone , plus area reps and Branch secretaries it would not deal the issues in the right way.

Now in terms of the work which has been carried out so far how can someone say its a mess that is simply untrue what this actually shows is Royal Mail are involving the union.

Now why cant revisions move ahead , version 6.25 is accurate at the moment as is geo route 2008 and you can adjust your revision if a new version comes out , in any case you have post implementation review.

so what is the prep rate to be used bet you can,t give a straight answer s**t scared to cos some offices being forced 22.5 25 17 items per min and now we have barometer test on frames ffs get a grip its always us who are not performing to standard what standard its never rms fault and what about all the offices who out perform on prep rates wheres all the bonuses due on all the time saved as west scot mgmt that question cos we seen f all with their fabrications

[guvenor]

i see dingo fu**** off early when posed the question

[POSTMAN]

Dingo does not live on here,he will be back as he always is.

[guvenor]

maybe with some answer without union spin on it were being shafted all over WHO CARES

[POSTMAN]

maybe with some answer without union spin on it were being shafted all over WHO CARES

What has your area and Div's said about it? Your prep rate comment that is.

[Martin Walsh]

Look this is not some agony page where you ask dingo , I answer when I have time , I dont hide and I dont run scared.

Lets get this straight the sorting rates are office rates not indivdual performance rates. It will also depend on what frames you have and whether you have double slots or tripple slots , it will depend on how many frames you have to clear from and how many times you clear down , redirctions etc./

Instead of shouting at me get in touch with your area rep and get it sorted.

[clashcityrocker]

Surely the prep rates will differ slightly from office to office.
It will depend on the size and the layout of the office.
As I understand it the offices in Ayrshire who are using IWT have standards between 11 and 14 (from empty frame to bagged up)

[POSTMAN]

With regards to dingo's agony aunt comments can we please keep on topic.

But while you're here dings,the old woman won't put out,it's been 14 years since we 1st met and there was always fireworks now the last year it's been nothing.
What should i do.

PM please.

[clashcityrocker]

But while you're here dings,the old woman won't put out,it's been 14 years since we 1st met and there was always fireworks now the last year it's been nothing.
What should i do.

Try going to the gym.
It works for the rest of us.

[dvbuk55]

Wheres dvbuk 55 with his traditional comment? Ive been looking out for that.

Well as we have so often been told - we voted it in, consequently it must be a good agreement EXCEPT the agreement isn't complete. It was far too complicated an issue for the negotiators to take on board.

The 2010 and Beyond was a three year deal where the revisions were to be completed within less time and without the full tools to complete the revision. Dingo and his chums must take us all for idiots. They really couldn't give a toss how long the "chattering" takes, they aren't the ones trying to implement a rag tag and bobtail set of guidelines. A more sensible approach would have been to divide the issues over the three years. More especially so in light of the change of Government and the inevitability of privatisation. It would have made more sense to be a little less amenable to Royal Mail.

Its very strange, or not really that strange, that once again we are being urged to move ahead with the revisions and any anomalies will be dealt with later by Area and Div Reps - yeah, really? We all know that once the revisions are in they are in and any errors will be glossed over as per usual.

[fishtank]

C'mon dvb...you know it's really all our fault and when the half-assed,half completed revisions are implemented it will be our fault again when it goes tits up.....i guess our pairs are not fully grown.
You would have to be mad to go ahead with a revision with so much still to be agreed but that's what we have to do because nothing will be sanctioned by either party that delays the implementation of the agreement.
I could handle it if it wasn't for this constant "speak to your area/divi rep" garbage...what do they think we are doing?
I have spoken to 4 unit reps on this site and the have all quoted the phrase "don't rock the boat" as it was quoted to them by either their area rep or divi rep...it seems to be this years catchphrase.