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bunkerland
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Re: Minimum standards ?

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beckydave wrote:In our office we have been told that we cannot cut off or book over unless we have more than 1300 items of mail.

It's true!

If you phone your manager and tell him you're cutting off he'll knock on every door you've been to and ask the householder how many items they've received that day,then he'll count the items youv'e got left. If it comes to 1300 or over you could be facing the "Spanish archer"!
Also,if you have under 952 items of mail you've got to hop round your delivery butt naked singing the Slovakian national anthem!
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bunkerland wrote:
beckydave wrote:In our office we have been told that we cannot cut off or book over unless we have more than 1300 items of mail.

It's true!

If you phone your manager and tell him you're cutting off he'll knock on every door you've been to and ask the householder how many items they've received that day,then he'll count the items youv'e got left. If it comes to 1300 or over you could be facing the "Spanish archer"!
Also,if you have under 952 items of mail you've got to hop round your delivery butt naked singing the Slovakian national anthem!
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Slovakia National Anthem Lyrics


Slovak Republic.

Music from folk song "Kopala studienku"
(Risoluto)

Nad Tatrou sa blyska (Lightning Flashes Over the Tatra Mountains).

Nad Tatrou sa blyska hromy divo biju
Zastavme ich bratia
Ved sa ony stratia
Slovaci oziju

To Slovensko nase posial tvrdo spalo
Ale blesky hromu
Vzbudzuju ho k tomu
Aby sa prebralo

English:

Lightning flashes over the Tatra, the thunder pounds wildly,

(repeat)

Let us pause, brothers, they will surely disappear, the Slovaks will revive.

(repeat)


This Slovakia of ours has been fast asleep until now,

(repeat)

But the thunder and lightning are encouraging it to come alive,

(repeat)
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Thanks for that TB,last time i had to do it i forgot the last verse and it was bloody embarrassing! :oops:
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bunkerland wrote:Thanks for that TB,last time i had to do it i forgot the last verse and it was bloody embarrassing! :oops:
:chuckle :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle

Well you can impress him with the English version now - it is easier to remember
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I think if you look beyond the "door to door and longer Saturdays" issues,there is stuff in there to stop what they are attempting.You need to write letters/emails qouting the national agreement,and send it to EVERYBODY,and I mean EVERYBODY,to let them know of your DOM's intentions.Otherwise they will just do it.
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:Very Happy This will backfire on the tubes that thought it up in the first place! At least with most of the walks in my office. Given the sheer size of the walks we now have, +packets, flats recordeds etc, we are in excess of that number all the time.This will go the same way as the recent d/d timed prep rate, and I betthey forget to add on the stuff you take out on the lapses!
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This will backfire on the tubes that thought it up in the first place! At least with most of the walks in my office. Given the sheer size of the walks we now have, +packets, flats recordeds etc, we are in excess of that number all the time.This will go the same way as the recent d/d timed prep rate, and I betthey forget to add on the stuff you take out on the lapses!
This is true,(perhaps).However the lapsing etc was done WITHOUT agreement. The workshops will have an agreed rate,seperatly for packets,flats,mail.The system you are using is everything lumped together and then averaged.That is now gone.If you are still lapsing,what is the best way to measure your capacity? Leave it in the frame until THE END of your duty.That will give you a clear measurement.

Also if your walks have been worked out with Geo Route,(pre-agreement),then they are wrong.The workshops will have AGREED parameters.For example your walk speeds will start at 4mph,however their parameter on this was maintaining a 4mph.Wrong.It will slow down below 2mph.Call rates will increase. You only have these things in offices because WE CHASE TIME,(although not all of us,but lets be honest there is a large majority that do).
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:crazy: Chase time??? flip,, is that what we've been doing---for sure--I've never been able to catch it! Truly, by the time I've galloped halfway round, I hyperventilate so much, I almost lose consciousness! Think we should all be supplied with
souped up mobility scooters, to speed us on our way!
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Ha Ha! Sorry,but thats funny :funneh

The first thing in future revisions is that they are "do-able". This will be down to 3 things :

Stress
Fatigue
Motivation,(Means if you are happy at work!)

Don't forget there are table top revisions as well as testing in a live enviroment.

I am not selling this deal,it's in and we have to get every last drop out of it for all of us. Lets stop sitting on the sidelines and get involved.We know the walks,right down to every pavement.
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:crazy: do-able? sixteen years in the job, and it is being made impossible to do! and it's not just down to age.! Being a tough old bird, I NEVER give up.But this job cannot be done the R/M way! Still determined to die on the job, so the Union wil have to pay out my -If you die on the job' payout, it used to stand at £1000.00 quid. (Is that still the case, does anyone know?)
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Re: Minimum standards ?

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drb wrote:
This will backfire on the tubes that thought it up in the first place! At least with most of the walks in my office. Given the sheer size of the walks we now have, +packets, flats recordeds etc, we are in excess of that number all the time.This will go the same way as the recent d/d timed prep rate, and I betthey forget to add on the stuff you take out on the lapses!
This is true,(perhaps).However the lapsing etc was done WITHOUT agreement. The workshops will have an agreed rate,seperatly for packets,flats,mail.The system you are using is everything lumped together and then averaged.That is now gone.If you are still lapsing,what is the best way to measure your capacity? Leave it in the frame until THE END of your duty.That will give you a clear measurement.

Also if your walks have been worked out with Geo Route,(pre-agreement),then they are wrong.The workshops will have AGREED parameters.For example your walk speeds will start at 4mph,however their parameter on this was maintaining a 4mph.Wrong.It will slow down below 2mph.Call rates will increase. You only have these things in offices because WE CHASE TIME,(although not all of us,but lets be honest there is a large majority that do).
Well we're having a revision shoved in now, or they are at the last stages of trying to put it in, I've emailed Branch and HQ , giving similar reasons as yours and not had a reply from either, so what are we to do, I'm one of only a few who think the revision should be stopped until all workshops, rep training, etc has been completed.
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stokes11eg wrote::crazy: do-able? sixteen years in the job, and it is being made impossible to do! and it's not just down to age.! Being a tough old bird, I NEVER give up.But this job cannot be done the R/M way! Still determined to die on the job, so the Union wil have to pay out my -If you die on the job' payout, it used to stand at £1000.00 quid. (Is that still the case, does anyone know?)
Yep still £1k,but they are looking to get rid of it,so you'll have to die quickly to get it. :crazy:
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Re: Minimum standards ?

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:Very Happy No problems there then, if R/M and the union have their way with this revision---jut hope I've got clean undies on when I expire on the street---(what an epitath--she lived and died on the street--can't see my family reading that out at the funeral service--
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Re: Minimum standards ?

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Draft up a letter explaining the following,(copy and past if you like) :

Dear (his name),

On (date) you, (without hardly any consultation with the Communication Workers Union), you have made the decision to (executive action).

I would regard this as executive action and in regards to the new National Agreement, by passing the following:


• The need for Royal Mail to recognise and value the CWU as an independent Trade Union with a fundamental right to represent its members on collective and individual issues within the workplace.

In regards to the “work plan”:

• Royal Mail and the CWU reaffirm their commitment to the speedy introduction of new machinery/technology and recognise the need to support this with a new standardised, six-day work plan.

Your proposal does not include the introduction of the WSM’s, (due next year), but is based on budget in which I cannot find in the national agreement.

May I also include the following from the new National Agreement?

“Planning for operational change in delivery units will be done using national planning and measurement systems, and revision tools to ensure that workload is assessed and applied accurately, is fair and manageable, and indoor processes and outdoor delivery routes are optimised, efficient and achievable – recognising any specific local issues that may need to be considered.
To ensure that any assumptions, parameters and inputs are consistent with the paragraph above – a series of structured workshops will be held with the CWU within 4 weeks of signing this
Agreement. The workshops will include appropriate scenario modelling and data validation, which will include testing areas of concern against a live environment to help clarify any specific issues that may need further investigation or understanding.
The aim of the workshops will be to provide confidence in and understanding of the planning and measurement systems and revision tools in use”.


Also:

“Key areas that will be covered as part of the workshops will include:

Traffic recording

Indoor workload tool (and associated issues)

Pegasus and Georoute (and associated issues e.g. call rate)

D2D (and associated issues e.g. call rate)

Ongoing maintenance and future developments of planning and measurement systems, and revision tools will involve the CWU through national consultation that will provide the opportunity for genuine input in advance of rollout – utilising workshops and meetings at the request of either party”.

Your version of the Indoor Workload Tool, (and its parameters), have not been part of the workshops, (to include ACAS). More importantly we may need to research the cause of “stress & Fatigue” in which may be a cause for concern within your “proposal”.

May I also request your version of the BSI on your proposal? I will strongly oppose it being based on budget. The ACAS code on BSI is any of 3 points, (or all 3):

Stress
Fatigue
Motivation

May I also include the following from the National Agreement:


• Positive engagement between the CWU and Royal Mail and a firm commitment to appropriate negotiation, consultation and communication on all delivery revision issues.

• Early CWU involvement at all levels

• Joint training on the relevant parts of this agreement

• CWU reps and Royal Mail managers playing an active part in any involvement process and the deployment of agreements.

• CWU reps being able to play an active role in Work Time Listening and Learning sessions.


• Appropriate release will be given to allow CWU reps to fulfil their role in the process and consult with members.

• Royal Mail and the CWU commit to the sharing of all information/data.


We would also need to address the vacancies issues after the preference exercise for the MTFS structure within the new National Agreement, and of course observe the national headcount in regards to the 75% full time and 25% part time at the end of the 3 year period,(at present it is 75% full time and 21% part time).

May I also remind you of a meeting between the National Officers of the Communication Union and Senior Management of Royal Mail on Friday the 30th of April in which all initial documentation was withdrawn by the business in regards to door to door and delivery design documentation issued in December and February 2010. Both parties have agreed such documentation should have areas in which are fair and would have the confidence of all parties.

Such actions in which you are implementing are hardly “building relationships” and “trust”. It is actions such as this in which have proven not to actually work. If you observe the past industrial relationships in the past, it has actually cost, (that is the CWU and Royal Mail), more then it has aimed to save.

If we are to embark on such a massive road of change, surely actions such as the one you are implementing actually puts us back. Please also note that the actual deal itself is costing the business in excess of 1 billion pounds. It is quite clear that the senior negotiators of Royal mail and Mr Higson want this agreement to work. Please also note that the independent parties, (Roger Poole, ACAS), and the managing director Mr Higson, assured the national officers of the Communication Workers Union that “we do not want management having their own policies”

I will be passing this letter up to the relevant parties so we may nip matters such as this “in the bud”. I am aware that the “trust” and “building relationships” will not happen overnight hence my reasoning to do so.

There are a large amount of parties within our business that will make the preservation of the USO and provide the public with the service it deserves as well as motivating our workforce with fair and manageable workloads and successfully modernising our business. Of the many people that will make this commitment work, it is the person that has written this letter and you.


Your Name

Your office name







Email it to your div rep and area rep then to :

dale.haddon@royalmail.com
mark.higson@royalmail.com
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Re: Minimum standards ?

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bunkerland wrote:
beckydave wrote:In our office we have been told that we cannot cut off or book over unless we have more than 1300 items of mail.

It's true!

If you phone your manager and tell him you're cutting off he'll knock on every door you've been to and ask the householder how many items they've received that day,then he'll count the items youv'e got left. If it comes to 1300 or over you could be facing the "Spanish archer"!
Also,if you have under 952 items of mail you've got to hop round your delivery butt naked singing the Slovakian national anthem!
You may have to apologise to Slovakia if you do !

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