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Re: Postie tried to sue woman who helped when he slipped in snow

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Stormproof wrote:
Robocop wrote: I think the world has gone a bit mad;I don't need a severe weather warning,I can see that it's snowing. Accidents happen and it doesn't have to be anyone's fault.
So its ok for me to incur the costs for my treatment etc because RM fail to recognise the dangers involved in doing my job??

No it bloddy isnt!!!!

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Re: Postie tried to sue woman who helped when he slipped in snow

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I would just like to clear up once and for all,

you will not,i repeat not by lible if someone has an accident on your drive if youve cleared the snow.(taken reasonable action to ensure the safty of visitors)

this is a myth dreamt up some years ago which just wont die.

YOU ARE RESPONSABLE FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL WHOM ENTER YOU PROPERTY.YOU MUST TAKE REASONABLE STEPS TO ENSURE THIS.

OCCUPIERS LIABILITY ACT..1954ISH UPDATED IN THE 80'S AND 90'S I THINK

THE EXPLAINATION FOR IDIOTS ,EVEN STATES .IE POSTMAN

Now i dont know that she would or wouldnt of cleared her land.im simply pointing out that on my round at least,the odds are 500/1 that she wouldnt.

some may say postie just shouldnt have delivered ,but we all know what grief he would have had,and he might also of wanted to try his best for his round.

personally i think he just shouldnt have bothered.nor should i.

i also think that if he doesnt sue them then royal mail almost certainly will,to recoup there lost wages.
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Re: Postie tried to sue woman who helped when he slipped in snow

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Stormproof wrote:
Robocop wrote: I think the world has gone a bit mad;I don't need a severe weather warning,I can see that it's snowing. Accidents happen and it doesn't have to be anyone's fault.
So its ok for me to incur the costs for my treatment etc because RM fail to recognise the dangers involved in doing my job??
Can't you recognise any dangers involved in your job without someone else having to tell you?
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Re: Postie tried to sue woman who helped when he slipped in snow

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So what is the time between the snow falling and you having to clear the path? Might be a good idea to stand outside and try to catch it before it hits the ground,just to make sure someone doesn't sue you.

Doesn't it strike you as being a bit ironic Bitchface that while you're delivering letters in the snow you won't be able to clear your own path,thus leaving you liable to a claim from your postman?
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she will have nowt to worry a bout i used the same solicitor they are s**t
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Robocop wrote:So what is the time between the snow falling and you having to clear the path? Might be a good idea to stand outside and try to catch it before it hits the ground,just to make sure someone doesn't sue you.

Doesn't it strike you as being a bit ironic Bitchface that while you're delivering letters in the snow you won't be able to clear your own path,thus leaving you liable to a claim from your postman?

Sorry but under the "Reasonable Action" clause quoted above both of your points are covered.

1. If snow is still falling then "reasonable Action" would cover not clearing it till the accumulation had stopped for a period of time.

2. If your at work then it would be unreasonable for anyone to expect you to clear the snow, just the same if you were away from home for a weeks holiday. Therefore an action deemed unreasonable is therefore covered under the "Reasonable Action" clause.
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Robocop wrote:
Stormproof wrote:
Robocop wrote: I think the world has gone a bit mad;I don't need a severe weather warning,I can see that it's snowing. Accidents happen and it doesn't have to be anyone's fault.
So its ok for me to incur the costs for my treatment etc because RM fail to recognise the dangers involved in doing my job??
Can't you recognise any dangers involved in your job without someone else having to tell you?
Of course she and anyone can. However responsibility does not just come down to the individual, where rightly it should ultimately lie, but there is also an Employer and Corporate and even Director/Owner responsibility all covered under the various H&S Laws.

If Stormproofs DO did not have a "Severe Weather" H&S Policy Document, or even guidelines to be followed then sending out their staff without taking "reasonable" (there is that word again) steps to ensure their H&S, or without making a "Risk Assessment" of the conditions then they are liable. If they were not, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility for a disreputable company sending out staff to deliver in "Life Threatening" conditions as long as they instructed them to take due care. A bit of an extreme scenario but then thats why H&S laws were passed, to ensure such occurrences should not happen.
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Thanks for that TBT, I was going to respond with a much shorter sentence of 3 syllables :angel
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Re: Postie tried to sue woman who helped when he slipped in snow

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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Robocop wrote:
Stormproof wrote:
Robocop wrote: I think the world has gone a bit mad;I don't need a severe weather warning,I can see that it's snowing. Accidents happen and it doesn't have to be anyone's fault.
So its ok for me to incur the costs for my treatment etc because RM fail to recognise the dangers involved in doing my job??
Can't you recognise any dangers involved in your job without someone else having to tell you?
Of course she and anyone can. However responsibility does not just come down to the individual, where rightly it should ultimately lie, but there is also an Employer and Corporate and even Director/Owner responsibility all covered under the various H&S Laws.

If Stormproofs DO did not have a "Severe Weather" H&S Policy Document, or even guidelines to be followed then sending out their staff without taking "reasonable" (there is that word again) steps to ensure their H&S, or without making a "Risk Assessment" of the conditions then they are liable. If they were not, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility for a disreputable company sending out staff to deliver in "Life Threatening" conditions as long as they instructed them to take due care. A bit of an extreme scenario but then thats why H&S laws were passed, to ensure such occurrences should not happen.
So when it is snowing how would a risk assessment work? Our LM will come round during bad weather and say something along the lines of "careful today out there we have a severe weather warning". Anyone with half a brain can see that the weather is bad, but it has to be done because of the compensation culture we now live in.

If I go up on my neck,which has happened a few times in the past,it's my fault not Royal Mail's.I don't see how a "risk assessment "would help me stay upright.
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Re: Postie tried to sue woman who helped when he slipped in snow

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Stormproof wrote:Thanks for that TBT, I was going to respond with a much shorter sentence of 3 syllables :angel
Don't you mean two words with one syllable each? How is the weather down there?
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Robocop wrote: So when it is snowing how would a risk assessment work? Our LM will come round during bad weather and say something along the lines of "careful today out there we have a severe weather warning". Anyone with half a brain can see that the weather is bad, but it has to be done because of the compensation culture we now live in.
I hope your not being obtuse on purpose I was merely attempting to point out where responsibilities lie and its not just the worker that's responsible but the whole business from You and Me all the way up to Donald Brydon.

However to answer your particular points. Your Line Manager has done the right thing for Medium risk deliveries which if his has followed or has a copy of the severe weather policy he will be aware.

There are 2 types of risk assessment - one which should be done on every delivery noting down hazards such as dogs, low level letter boxes, areas that trucks and machinery are used, Hard Hat areas etc - The postie also has the responsibility of updating his manager daily of changes so that the "Risk Assessment" for that duty can be changed.

Ideally at the the time of the initial risk assessment environmental conditions will be taken into account. For instance flood risk areas (next to a river), steep hills, unmade roads, paths and stairs that might present a slip hazard in various types of weather conditions such as rain or snow.

Then there is another risk assessment which my DOM did when he suspended deliveries. He checked the local weather forecast, he assessed the risk of black ice on the way into work and yes he went outside to see what the immediate conditions were. He made a valid risk assessment and on the basis of the information outlined above he quite rightly suspended all deliveries.

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Robocop wrote:If I go up on my neck,which has happened a few times in the past,it's my fault not Royal Mail's.I don't see how a "risk assessment "would help me stay upright.
Correct if you fall its ultimately your fault and any compensation claim will recognise that an the award will reflect that. However, if your DOM did not have a policy in place (as at Stormproofs DO), or he failed to enact the Corporate Policy (again) and he failed to make a general immediate risk assessment then he has failed in his "responsibility of care" and broke the law.

This then leads to an immediate question: Should RM be allowed to ignore the H&S Laws, that demand risk assessments, and then not be held responsible for it in a court of law if and when an accident happens for which they have not taken reasonable steps to mitigate, or as in his case not had the required documents.

Of course the risk assessment would probably not have stopped either you or stormproof falling, but if RM had in this case followed the law then there would not be a case to answer as the onus would be 100% on Stormproof as long as they followed their own policies. In fact if they had policies in place and Stormproofs duty has been "Risk Assessed" as high risk in the prevailing conditions, then they may have suspended the duty for a day and the accident would not have occurred.
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If I go up on my neck,which has happened a few times in the past,it's my fault not Royal Mail's.I don't see how a "risk assessment "would help me stay upright.
Hmmmm,anyway,one gal at my place had a 'risk assessment' on her walk during the snow/ice,she has houses with loads of stairs,the manager drove to the road,stuck his head out of the window,said it's ok and then let her go.

She couldn't complete as it was too bad,now what would of happened if she had slipped over and hurt herself?
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Re: Postie tried to sue woman who helped when he slipped in snow

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I think the bloke was just trying to get a bit of compensation thinking it would go through an insurance claim, whe he found out it was her he was sueing he dropped it because he knew she had helped him and felt guilty.
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I slipped over on the ice this winter when it was really icy just after it snowed and we told the managers but they sent us out. I didnt hurt myself too much just a cut knee, i phoned my line manager and said i wouldnt be completeing because i hurt my knee on the ice, he come to pick me up and asked where all my mail was, so i put 2 letters in his hand and said i have 2 houses left to go on my round when i slipped lol. Don't know why i didn't just do them really, i guess because it was my right to get a manager out and they deserve it, i like to make them earn their money the way they do to us these days.
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POSTMAN wrote:
If I go up on my neck,which has happened a few times in the past,it's my fault not Royal Mail's.I don't see how a "risk assessment "would help me stay upright.
Hmmmm,anyway,one gal at my place had a 'risk assessment' on her walk during the snow/ice,she has houses with loads of stairs,the manager drove to the road,stuck his head out of the window,said it's ok and then let her go.

She couldn't complete as it was too bad,now what would of happened if she had slipped over and hurt herself?
The manager is obviously an arse but if she wasn't done for willful delay then common sense has prevailed.