Fair points but ever considered whilst on a path it might just prevent you from getting bowled over by one of your colleagues who albeitly and unwittingly is cycling on the pavement which I think is against the law.mrlovepantsuk wrote:we all have to wear them in our office, apparantly it is rm policy that everyone wears them.
my view is that if a driver cant see me pushing a great big red trolley he shouldn`t be on the road anyway and if I am it whilst on a path I cant see how a hi-viz jacket will save me.
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Re: Hi Viz vests
The reason you have to wear the Hi-Viz, is because you may need to get off the FLT at some point, whilst on the Shop Floor. For example: If one of the RSCs isn't closed properly, and you need to close it, before stacking.Carnoustie wrote:Postman, surely you know by now that RM Management and logical thinking are two separate entities ?POSTMAN wrote:We don't wear them down or way,but just a question,why do you/we have to wear them anyway,it's not as if we're delivering in the dark is it?
I work indoors and drive a fork-lift truck, but was told I still have to wear a hi-viz vest when driving it.
As I said to the manager at the time
'If one of my colleagues fails to spot a bloody great truck - that's painted bright yellow - coming towards him, do you really think making me wear a hi-viz vest is going to make the difference between him seeing the truck and not seeing it ?'
He still insisted I must wear it
But where I am, we have 2 different colours of Hi-Viz: Yellow for outside, and the normal ones for everywhere else. Because the normal Hi-Vizs, are too close to the colour of the Trailers. And there's already been one fatal accident, attributed to them. But what really makes me angry, is that we had yellow ones, when I first started. So why did they change them?
And why aren't they phasing out the current ones, so that everyone will eventually end up with yellow ones?
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Re: Hi Viz vests
At my MC drivers, van assistants, and platform staff are required to wear hi-vis.
Also any OPGs who are not wearing other RM uniform.
When I was working a Sunday OT duty (sorting), I was asked by a Manager to put
on a hi-vis as I was wearing my own clothes. Apparently that is not for safety
reasons, but so that they know we are RM staff and not intruders - so apparently
they do not know who I am after almost 30 years. Just seems petty. If you are
wearing just one item of RM clothing you don't need to wear the hi-vis.
And it can be sweaty when it's hot and you are doing a strenuous job, even if it
is unzipped. I was wondering if you could wear it without anything else on underneath
or with a singlet - might not be a pretty sight though.
Also any OPGs who are not wearing other RM uniform.
When I was working a Sunday OT duty (sorting), I was asked by a Manager to put
on a hi-vis as I was wearing my own clothes. Apparently that is not for safety
reasons, but so that they know we are RM staff and not intruders - so apparently
they do not know who I am after almost 30 years. Just seems petty. If you are
wearing just one item of RM clothing you don't need to wear the hi-vis.
And it can be sweaty when it's hot and you are doing a strenuous job, even if it
is unzipped. I was wondering if you could wear it without anything else on underneath
or with a singlet - might not be a pretty sight though.
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I wear mine outside on delivery at all times, I don't mind it, although it's been sticking to me with sweat last couple of days. However, I'm just waiting, and dreading, the time we are told we have to wear them INSIDE the office as well. This is an office which still has heaters on, despite it being unseasonably warm (18 today lunchtime). I'll be soaked with sweat before I even go out.
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The Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 lay down particular requirements for most aspects of the working environmentNewPostieUK wrote:I wear mine outside on delivery at all times, I don't mind it, although it's been sticking to me with sweat last couple of days. However, I'm just waiting, and dreading, the time we are told we have to wear them INSIDE the office as well. This is an office which still has heaters on, despite it being unseasonably warm (18 today lunchtime). I'll be soaked with sweat before I even go out.
Regulation 7 of these Regulations deals specifically with the temperature in indoor workplaces and states that:
During working hours, the temperature in all workplaces inside buildings shall be reasonable.
However, the application of the regulation depends on the nature of the workplace i.e. a bakery, a cold store, an office, a warehouse.
The associated ACOP goes on to explain:
‘The temperature in workrooms should provide reasonable comfort without the need for special clothing. Where such a temperature is impractical because of hot or cold processes, all reasonable steps should be taken to achieve a temperature which is as close as possible to comfortable. 'Workroom' means a room where people normally work for more than short periods.
The temperature in workrooms should normally be at least 16 degrees Celsius unless much of the work involves severe physical effort in which case the temperature should be at least 13 degrees Celsius. These temperatures may not, however, ensure reasonable comfort, depending on other factors such as air movement and relative humidity.’
Where the temperature in a workroom would otherwise be uncomfortably high, for example because of hot processes or the design of the building, all reasonable steps should be taken to achieve a reasonably comfortable temperature, for example by:
insulating hot plants or pipes;
providing air-cooling plant;
shading windows;
siting workstations away from places subject to radiant heat.
Where a reasonably comfortable temperature cannot be achieved throughout a workroom, local cooling should be provided. In extremely hot weather fans and increased ventilation may be used instead of local cooling.
Where, despite the provision of local cooling, workers are exposed to temperatures which do not give reasonable comfort, suitable protective clothing and rest facilities should be provided. Where practical there should be systems of work (for example, task rotation) to ensure that the length of time for which individual workers are exposed to uncomfortable temperatures is limited.
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Re: Hi Viz vests
well our 'new' DO is just a big converted warehouse
indoors its a nighmare with nowhere to put anything
outside the car park is a deathtrap.if its not RM drivers flying its customers roaring into get that urgent packet
so we should wear our hi viz's.however our lovely office is also a friggin hot house at my end and freezing at the end with the doors.
even a short sleeved shirt see's you sweating your ass off
however just last week all the managers got hi viz vests with a blue section at the top with 'manager' on them
i asked one if it was to give me something to aim at with the van
indoors its a nighmare with nowhere to put anything
outside the car park is a deathtrap.if its not RM drivers flying its customers roaring into get that urgent packet
so we should wear our hi viz's.however our lovely office is also a friggin hot house at my end and freezing at the end with the doors.
even a short sleeved shirt see's you sweating your ass off
however just last week all the managers got hi viz vests with a blue section at the top with 'manager' on them
i asked one if it was to give me something to aim at with the van
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Re: Hi Viz vests
are you saying that without a high-vis you become invisible? In certain conditions they are useful but for the main part they are just another elf 'n safety pain in the arse. Haven't you noticed that every stupid idea or ruling in RM is explained away as H &S . let's all bow down before the great god of H&S.brothermagrew wrote:Fair points but ever considered whilst on a path it might just prevent you from getting bowled over by one of your colleagues who albeitly and unwittingly is cycling on the pavement which I think is against the law.mrlovepantsuk wrote:we all have to wear them in our office, apparantly it is rm policy that everyone wears them.
my view is that if a driver cant see me pushing a great big red trolley he shouldn`t be on the road anyway and if I am it whilst on a path I cant see how a hi-viz jacket will save me.
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Not at all brother lekker, unless your name is David McCallum, and what is so stupid about any company introducing health and safety measures that in the end is a protection for their workforce. To you it may be a considerable pain in the jacksie, to others it might be seen as beneficial in protecting their life. As an added bonus or enticement for the outdoor hot weather, why not consider purchasing a nice new pair of hi-vis safety shorts.lekker wrote:are you saying that without a high-vis you become invisible? In certain conditions they are useful but for the main part they are just another elf 'n safety pain in the arse. Haven't you noticed that every stupid idea or ruling in RM is explained away as H &S . let's all bow down before the great god of H&S.brothermagrew wrote:Fair points but ever considered whilst on a path it might just prevent you from getting bowled over by one of your colleagues who albeitly and unwittingly is cycling on the pavement which I think is against the law.mrlovepantsuk wrote:we all have to wear them in our office, apparantly it is rm policy that everyone wears them.
my view is that if a driver cant see me pushing a great big red trolley he shouldn`t be on the road anyway and if I am it whilst on a path I cant see how a hi-viz jacket will save me.
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I wear my high viz ALLLLLLLLL the time but only really to hide my podge.
There's something on the intranet page stating that we're meant to make them last 2 years <coff>
There's something on the intranet page stating that we're meant to make them last 2 years <coff>
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Any PPE must be replaced as and when needed (that would include Hi-viz and cycle helmets).Aprilaydee wrote:I wear my high viz ALLLLLLLLL the time but only really to hide my podge.
There's something on the intranet page stating that we're meant to make them last 2 years <coff>
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If RM make it a conduct issue would you wear it then?lekker wrote:You will never convince meever
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Carnoustie wrote:Postman, surely you know by now that RM Management and logical thinking are two separate entities ?POSTMAN wrote:We don't wear them down or way,but just a question,why do you/we have to wear them anyway,it's not as if we're delivering in the dark is it?
I work indoors and drive a fork-lift truck, but was told I still have to wear a hi-viz vest when driving it.
As I said to the manager at the time
'If one of my colleagues fails to spot a bloody great truck - that's painted bright yellow - coming towards him, do you really think making me wear a hi-viz vest is going to make the difference between him seeing the truck and not seeing it ?'
He still insisted I must wear it
To drive a fork lift truck in the UK a person is obliged by Law to undergo the correct training. Unfortunately legal firms do hear of accidents which have been caused by people driving fork lift trucks who are not qualified to do so.
Workplaces using fork lift trucks should also supply the operators with the correct Personal Protective Equipment (PPE) such as fluorescent jackets, hard hats and safety boots and should inspect and maintain the fork lift trucks to a safe condition.
Employers should also assess the working environment and try to separate the areas in which fork lift trucks operate from the areas where pedestrians are likely to be. There should be separation of vehicular and pedestrian routes. Protective barriers should be located just beyond entrances and exits to prevent pedestrians stepping out into the path of a passing fork lift truck. The vehicular routes for fork lifts should be clearly marked. Fork lift trucks should give way and precedence to pedestrians in light of the relative danger that both pose towards each other.
How Accidents with Fork Lift Trucks happen:
There are many different ways in which a person can be injured by a fork lift truck. Some of the more common accidents involving fork lift trucks legal firms hear about are:
•Cases where a fork lift truck has toppled over due to being used on an unsuitable surface such as a steep slope or where there are potholes or drains.
•Cases where a load has fallen from a fork lift truck onto a passer-by.
•Cases where a fork lift truck has collided with a pedestrian (for example running over their foot or crushing them between the truck and another object).
•Cases where the fork lift or reach truck causes items on high level racking to be pushed off the top of the racking or stack into a gangway on the other side thus injuring another person working on the other side.
•Cases where the fork lift truck collides with lockers, other objects or equipment causing that equipment to fall and injure or crush someone.
•Collisions between two forklift trucks or another reach truck or vehicle.
•Cases when the fork lift truck driver himself steps off the truck and into a pothole or other dangerous depression in the floor surface.
•Cases with fork lifts being driven at speed and carelessly.
•Cases where someone is injured in stepping aside from an approaching fork lift that is being driven carelessly or too close.
As an example, Greg Arde was working for a company in Wales when he was asked to drive a fork lift truck without any training or a valid licence. The truck toppled over onto him and crushed him causing spinal injuries and head injuries.
Mr Arde said that he was happy with the amount of compensation he was awarded £2.4 million, which would help to pay for a specially adapted house for him to live in and round-the-clock care costs.
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NOdisgruntledpostie1 wrote:If RM make it a conduct issue would you wear it then?lekker wrote:You will never convince meever
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Re: Hi Viz vests
if RM were so fussed they could add reflective panels/piping to all the standard uniform
then we would always be visible
then we would always be visible