Postal Services Act Needs Urgent Revision Says Lawson

[andy2007]

Exactly! These people seem to have no morals at all.

Have you noticed how much Spring Global was worth, when they were investigated?
£85 Million! And RM own 1/3 of the Business. Yet, at a time when we are allegedly loosing large amounts of money. We aren't told about this.

The only logical reason that I can come up with. Is that RM are afraid of what we might do, once we know about this. I have yet to find anyone at Work, who had even heard of Spring Global, before Christmas. And many of them, still hadn't, until I brought it to their attention. Needless to say: None of them were happy to find out what RM was involved in.

I still think that we should bombard Spring Global, with reports of each and every Scam Mailing we come across. That will remove their ability to deny knowledge of what they're handling. Let's see how long they can continue to play the innocent then, eh?

[stokes11eg]

You are right but unfortunatly there are thousands of elderly and vulnerable people whose minds are failing them and if you look at the gallary on thinkjessica.com you will see that these victims are not responding to the scammers out of greed they are being tricked,befriended and threatened by the criminals who are seeking out those whose minds can be abducted.
Without stating the obvious some elderly people get confused and forgetful, many live alone and the exciting mail they recive soon becomes addictive and for many it is at first welcome in there loney lifes.
The bogus claivoyants letters often tell a elderly victim that if they dont send a fee , harm will befall them or there loved ones!
Advice like if its true good to be true is not much good to someone as vulnerable as that
It woul be interesting to hear your comments after you have visited the site though !!

This is something that should go to press--let everyone know that Royal Mail do have a hand in this----and expose them --

[MEL]

i find it strange that we our already in partnership with tnt in spring global and our preferred partner in ne privatisation is tnt.maybe ofcom should have a real close look at the accounts. just a thought.

[DGP1]

i find it strange that we our already in partnership with tnt in spring global and our preferred partner in ne privatisation is tnt.maybe ofcom should have a real close look at the accounts. just a thought.

RM and TNT also work together in the D2D business (notice how many of the bundles have TNTs name on them).

[MILLIE&MO]

oh well !!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Various links for the think jessica website can be seen at http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... =6&t=13462

[MILLIE&MO]

A lot of people are only just being made aware that Spring Global mail based in the Netherlands( but has depots all over the world ) is a joint venture between Royal Mail/TNT/Singapore Post.
The reason not many people have heard of it is because it only gets fleeting mensns in the media when it is exposed for its dodgy dealings !
Spring Global transport the majority of criminal mail (SCAM NOT JUNK) into the UK. they inform all there potentiol clients that even with obvious scammers statements all over the envelopes it will get an easy and assisted passage into the U.K.
They even offer the scammers a service where they will flag up the mail with the R.M crest giving it the apperance of origanating from this country but the pre addressed envelope will send the victims cash to a p.o box in another part of the world , keeping the crime out of U.K laws.
Once in the UK the R.M quite rightly say that "they have a legal obligation to deliver all addressed mail"
What they dont say is that they are assisting its passage in the first place,
Any one who thinks that those who are daft enough to fall for a scam ,deserve to be scammed please visit thinkjessica.com and watch the short videos (IN THE GALLARY) of pensioners who are being befriended /tricked and threatened out of there pension every week.
Alot of criminals now claim to be clairvoyants and the most vulnerable are too afraid to ignore there demands.
Some pensioners who live ALONE CAN RECEIVE UP TO 100 scam letters a day. many of the criminals threaten the victim into keeping quiet.
The criminals call our posties ROYAL mules. EVERYONE SHOUD BE MADE AWARE OF THIS BIG COVER UP.

[MILLIE&MO]

Spring Global Mail
Watchdog investigates a mailing service that is sending scam leaflets.
12 December 2006

Spring Global Mail acts as a mailing service handling leaflets and brochures for foreign companies. It sends 500 million every year and the business is worth £85 million.

But millions of these leaflets are scams. And Spring Global Mail lets the scamsters use its London address - Unit 9, Trident Way, Southall. On its website, the company says this means UK residents will be none the wiser about where the companies really come from.

We've exposed many of the scamsters before, but that hasn't stopped Spring Global Mail handling their leaflets.

The company brings the mailings into the UK, but it's the Royal Mail that delivers them to your door. And Royal Mail is a joint owner of Spring Global Mail. It actually makes money from the criminal mail the company sends out.

After she was targeted by scam leaflets, Phyllis Moon, 91, wasted £5,000 on fake lotteries, miracle health cures and bogus psychics. It's taken Moon many years to discover that all the false promises were scams.

Mike Haley from the Office of Fair Trading is frustrated with Spring Global Mail. He thinks it should take more responsibility for the leaflets it distributes. Robert Keitch from the Direct Marketing Association condemns the company for knowingly handling leaflets that defraud innocent members of the public.

We paid a visit to Spring Global Mail's headquarters in Amsterdam to find out what it will and won't send in the post. Armed with a fake mailshot for a ridiculous scam, we posed as a Spanish company hoping to target the UK with a miracle slimming aid - Lose Choco-weight. It's obviously a scam, but Spring Global Mail agreed to send it to the UK regardless.

Although Spring Global Mail advised us to get the leaflet checked with the Advertising Standards Authority, it told us it would send anything we wanted in the post. It wasn't even bothered if it was a scam.

Spring Global Mail say it's responsible for the delivery of the mail, it's not responsible for the content. That's down to the customers who send it. It has a clear policy for dealing with deceptive mailings, and has terminated 13 customer contracts after the authorities ruled the content was unlawful or misleading.
Thousands of criminals are using Spring global but they have only cancelled 13 contracts and that is only because the autorities tracked them down,they dont weed them out themselfs.
Also the scammers then change the bogus company name and po box number and go back to Spring.
Spring have also JUST added to there website that they won a case bought against them by the OFT . this is untrue as the OFT won on appeal .and here is the link



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[Stormproof]

I'm sorry if this comes across the wrong way Millie&Mo but you are trying to educate the wrong people on this, we all know about these mailings but unfortunately we have to deliver them, in an ideal world we would put them in the bin before delivery but we can't.
Mods...........can we have all the Jessica postings in one thread
Thanks

[andy2007]

The point is, that she has found a way of potentially solving the problem. In Austrailia, they have the legal right, to remove suspected Scam Mailings from the Post. In Britain, we can't do that, because it would be illegal. What she's trying to do, is get the Law changed, so that we can do the same. Personally, I think it's a great idea. And Hopefully, we will be able to get enough signitures, for the Government to take it seriously. You can sign it, at: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/think-jessica/

[Stormproof]

I know about the petition and I have signed it. But we've had 18 posts off Millie&Mo all on this one subject, we do have other issues aswell like keeping our jobs and sorting out our pensions etc, Spring Global part owned by RM, RM owned by the Government, the only way anything will get done is with the National Press not a couple of 100 posties.

[MILLIE&MO]

I Know but the criminal mail could easily be removed at souce. See how the AUSTRALIANS deal with scam mail

Once in the UK the Royal Mail do have a legal obligation to deliver all addressed mail .
But they ROYAL MAIL/T.N.T/Singapore post are joint owners of SPRING GLOBAL MAIL and if we had the same laws as Oz we could reduce the amount of scams ,without a deterrent the problem weill get out of hand!

.....some poor pensioners receive 100 scam letters a day and are being tricked/befriended/threatened into sending there pension ever week.
Once the victims name gets put on a suckers list they are sold to other criminals all over the world, who are then taking advantage of our easy and assisted passage !

[andy2007]

I know about the petition and I have signed it. But we've had 18 posts off Millie&Mo all on this one subject, we do have other issues aswell like keeping our jobs and sorting out our pensions etc, Spring Global part owned by RM, RM owned by the Government, the only way anything will get done is with the National Press not a couple of 100 posties.

That's a good point. But I don't know about you. But I'd be offended, if I wasn't asked my opinions, on how to go about this. As it will affect my Job. Also, we need as many signitures as possible, if we're going to get this done. And who better, than us?
We're the ones being forced to deliver this stuff. So why not, be a part of putting a stop to it?
I agree that there are too many seperate Threads on this subject. It would be better to have them all merged into one. But MILLIE&MO is quite new to using Forums, and isn't up to speed on the etiquette yet. So please make allowances.

Until she first told me about Spring Global, on PMC. I'd never heard of them. So as far as I'm concerned, she has done us a great service, by bringing it to our attention. It must have taken a lot of guts, to come on sites like this, criticising Spring Global, and (by association) RM. I have a great deal of respect for her.

[norbert]

I know about the petition and I have signed it. But we've had 18 posts off Millie&Mo all on this one subject, we do have other issues aswell like keeping our jobs and sorting out our pensions etc, Spring Global part owned by RM, RM owned by the Government, the only way anything will get done is with the National Press not a couple of 100 posties.

exactly shop 'em to the papers - give certain people another big PR problem- RM will just blame Postcon and the EEC though

[MILLIE&MO]

Its no easy ride,