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linkinpark wrote:Dont know much about that old bird except what i have seen here on RMC and i dont much care for that sort of thing either, but i wonder what she would have made of the Paralympics? Second thoughts i dont much care about what she or anyone else thinks in the negative! Well done to all the Athletes of the globe keep working hard! You are enough to inspire us all no matter what we must overcome to achieve!

Rank Country Gold Silver Bronze TOTAL
1 China 8 10 10 28
2 United States 8 4 5 17
3 Great Britain 7 5 3 15

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Maybe instead of wasting a stamp on the likes of her and her ilk they should hold up true examples for us all to follow?

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Poshpost wrote:From Virginia Woolf's diary January 1915: "On the towpath we met & had to pass a long line of imbeciles. the first was a very tall young man, just queer enough to look twice at, but no more; the second shuffled and looked aside; & then one realised that every one in that long line was a miserable ineffective shuffling creature, with no forehead, or no chin, & an imbecile grin, or a wild suspicious stare. It was perfectly horrible. They should certainly be killed."

Such views were commonplace and widely accepted at the time, and reflected in public attitudes, as Virginia Woolf exemplifies in this diary entry.

In pre-1914 years, when Winston Churchill was a Cabinet Minister, he said that 'the unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among all the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate.' The solution he proposed was that 'the source from which all the streams of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed.' This 'simple surgical operation' would allow these individuals 'to live in the world without causing much inconvenience to others.'

The National Socialist eugenic policies pursued by Germany in the 1930's should have brought such views into total disrepute, but sterilisation policies were pursued in many countries until recent years. Sweden, that bastion of social democracy, sterilised some 60,000 citizens between 1935 and 1976, mostly compulsorily, in pursuit of eugenic policies. Other Scandinavian countries were involved and many American states had similar legislation.

Woolf's, Churchills etc views should be seen in this perspective. Similarly, anti-semitism was widespread and accepted at the time, sometimes coupled with racial eugenic theories. In 1907 Sidney Webb, a founding father of British socialism, could write a Fabian pamphlet deploring the falling birth-rate 'when children are being freely born to the Irish Roman Catholics and to the Polish, Russian and German Jews, on the one hand, and to the thriftless and irresponsible on the other. This can hardly result in anything but national deterioration, or, as an alternative, in this country gradually falling to the Irish and the Jews.' It is important in this as in other areas to consider the views of the above in the context of their times.
I realise that times were different, and that it's important to take these people's attitudes in context. But the fact of the matter is, that as you have already pointed out. These types of attitudes are still around today.

There is the British Eugenics Society, for example :evil/mad :arrrghhh http://www.eugenics-watch.com/briteugen/index.html And there's even Eugenics Watch http://www.eugenics-watch.com/

So it isn't just a case of me objecting to the views of the time. Honouring people, who publically advocated Eugenics, could (in my opinion) add credibility to the Eugenics movement. I find the opening paragraph of the British Eugenics Society, to be particularly enlightening:
This is the record of the members and activities of one of the most influential of the eugenics societies, the Eugenics Society (England), now known as the Galton Institute. When the British Empire fell, this secret army fought on in a hundred disguises for white supremacy. :evil/mad :evil/mad

Quite frankly, I didn't even know that it still existed. I thought that they had all gone on to pushing for Genetic Engineering, but it still exists! The Galton Institute is a Charity?!?!? http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/

Do we really want to have Royal Mail associated with this type of ideology?
I know I don't!
linkinpark wrote:Dont know much about that old bird except what i have seen here on RMC and i dont much care for that sort of thing either, but i wonder what she would have made of the Paralympics? Second thoughts i dont much care about what she or anyone else thinks in the negative! Well done to all the Athletes of the globe keep working hard! You are enough to inspire us all no matter what we must overcome to achieve!

Rank Country Gold Silver Bronze TOTAL
1 China 8 10 10 28
2 United States 8 4 5 17
3 Great Britain 7 5 3 15

:Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause

Maybe instead of wasting a stamp on the likes of her and her ilk they should hold up true examples for us all to follow?

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
Well said! :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause

It's worth remembering: Few, if any of the Contestants would have been born, if Eugenics had become the norm. :hmmmm
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andy2007 wrote:
Well said! :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause

It's worth remembering: Few, if any of the Contestants would have been born, if Eugenics had become the norm. :hmmmm
.... and what about the greatest mind of our time Stephen Hawking, would they have aloud him to stay alive. :hmmmm
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plodsie wrote:I didn't know the Government chose what goes on our stamps... I'd have liked to have seen our Olympic Gold medal winners honoured on our stamps instead of this witch.
Stopes's obsession with perfecting the race is now seen as an unfortunate episiode in our history.
In time the Olympics with its meaningless interest in who can run, swim or cycle fastest will no doubt be seen as an expensive misguided futile circus best consigned to history.
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Lounge Lizard wrote:
plodsie wrote:I didn't know the Government chose what goes on our stamps... I'd have liked to have seen our Olympic Gold medal winners honoured on our stamps instead of this witch.
Stopes's obsession with perfecting the race is now seen as an unfortunate episiode in our history.
In time the Olympics with its meaningless interest in who can run, swim or cycle fastest will no doubt be seen as an expensive misguided futile circus best consigned to history.
Can't see a British Government withdrawing support from the Olympics even in the long term. After all, for them its a cheap way of keeping the proletariats mind distracted from the real and meaningful issues of the day. (ID cards, recession, Housing Market, "War on Terror" just to name some). Or am I just a unrepentant cynic.
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As one Roman said "Bread and circuses", keep the people fed and entertained and you can do what you like.
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Lounge Lizard wrote:
plodsie wrote:I didn't know the Government chose what goes on our stamps... I'd have liked to have seen our Olympic Gold medal winners honoured on our stamps instead of this witch.
Stopes's obsession with perfecting the race is now seen as an unfortunate episiode in our history.
In time the Olympics with its meaningless interest in who can run, swim or cycle fastest will no doubt be seen as an expensive misguided futile circus best consigned to history.
Why do you think that the Olympics are meaningless?
Do you think that Footaball, is just a meaningless specticle, of grown men kicking a ball around a field?
If you do. You're likley to be lynched by a large proportion of the British Public! :shock:

If you don't. Then how can you consider the Olympics to be meaningless? :hmmmm

Or is it all about how much money can be made from it?
In which case, you're missing the real point of ANY Sport.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
andy2007 wrote:
Well said! :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause

It's worth remembering: Few, if any of the Contestants would have been born, if Eugenics had become the norm. :hmmmm
.... and what about the greatest mind of our time Stephen Hawking, would they have aloud him to stay alive. :hmmmm
He wouldn't exist either. It's a sobering thought, isn't it?
And yet, we still haven't learned from the mistakes of the past. They may not be achieving much. But the Eugenics, and Genetic Engineering movements, still want to remove, what they consider to be defects in Humans.

Yes, life is more difficult with a disability. But does that mean that disabled people should be denied the right to life?
Of course not!
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Keep treading the streets and think of all that lovely 20% wonga going straight into the pocket of Mr Balfour ,Mr Beatty,Mr Woodrow ,Mr McAlpine, yet another nice little scheme to siphon your money into the fat cats pockets, with tax breaks,dodgy contracts,soaring budgets etc. Still after paying for it all you can probably pay again to watch it :shhhhh
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andy2007 wrote:
Lounge Lizard wrote:
plodsie wrote:I didn't know the Government chose what goes on our stamps... I'd have liked to have seen our Olympic Gold medal winners honoured on our stamps instead of this witch.
Stopes's obsession with perfecting the race is now seen as an unfortunate episiode in our history.
In time the Olympics with its meaningless interest in who can run, swim or cycle fastest will no doubt be seen as an expensive misguided futile circus best consigned to history.
Why do you think that the Olympics are meaningless?
Do you think that Footaball, is just a meaningless specticle, of grown men kicking a ball around a field?
If you do. You're likley to be lynched by a large proportion of the British Public! :shock:

If you don't. Then how can you consider the Olympics to be meaningless? :hmmmm

Or is it all about how much money can be made from it?
In which case, you're missing the real point of ANY Sport.
Yes, football is just as meaningless a spectacle, and why are its supporters so intollerant that they might lynch someone who doesn't share there obsession for 'the game'? - as bad as Oswold Moseley's thugs when eugenics was in its heyday.
As for money, that's what sport is about these days. As if a better use of lottery funding couldn't be found than paying potential Olympic athhletes £24,000 a year TAX FREE for training - I might start running fast if I was on twice a posties take home pay.
And the arrogance of a wiinning sportsman now is no better than the superiority of those advocating eugenics last century. Sadly, long gone are days of 'may the best team win' with handshakes at the end of the game.
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Instead of giving public funds to the fat cat construction bosses for Olympic development ,why don't we invest the money in dialysis machines;drugs that stop you going blind ;or drugs that send cancer into remission.
You never know when YOU or your loved ones might need them,something to think about whilst watching the 100m synchronized belly flop
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linkinpark wrote:
BELIAL wrote:Instead of giving public funds to the fat cat construction bosses for Olympic development ,why don't we invest the money in dialysis machines;drugs that stop you going blind ;or drugs that send cancer into remission.
You never know when YOU or your loved ones might need them,something to think about whilst watching the 100m synchronized belly flop
I see no flaw with your post except the Paralympics and the graft they do! I hate the drugs, money, and well, cheating that goes on in the Olympics! but the sportsmanship that goes on in the Paralympics and the will to take part seems to be the only reward from the outside, not money or fame! Can we even remember one Gold winning member from 4 years ago from the Paralympics? Have to say NO and i care! Because lets face it the media dont give much of a crap about the people but just the money to be made then who does? But still every time i look at those girls and guys on TV for the Paralympics i see a group of people that try for themselves and (if you go in for it?) their country but have little or nothing on the face of it to gain but still try to achieve! Sorry i cant find a flaw in that either i just wish others would live up to the true OLYMPIC ideals! Not big firms and there cheating ways! They the athletes are for us all not the money to be made and i feel inspired!

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Can anyone remember any Olympic winners from 4 years ago because all I remember is some woman having a poo at the side of the road :shock:

But there was that woman Tawny something :hmmmm and the Spanish basketball team :hmmmm
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Seems our press have now got hold of this.
The stamps are due out today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3194345 ... topes.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tamps.html
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POSTMAN wrote:Seems our press have now got hold of this.
The stamps are due out today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3194345 ... topes.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tamps.html
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Think one of my ancestors joined - he was so poor that he was glad of a black shirt - apparently there was hell to pay over it and it got thrown on the fire .

Could do with eugenics where I live - watching Jeremy Kyle is a good argument for it too . Pity there wasn't better family planning 40-50 years ago , judging by some of the inhabitants of 148 Old St
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Daily Mail liberal? Julie Burchill nailed the Mail in an article she wrote in 2002...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... ieburchill