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Delivery staff leaving royal mail.

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LouBarlow
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sweepster70 wrote:
20 Oct 2023, 18:03
A very small minority of Postmen/Women do take the piss, but this was about one thing only ....Money!
They have brainwashed some people into believing it's the piss takers, but didn't they quote something like £200,000000 would be saved by the new sick policy? I could be wrong.
It has been about money since privatisation. Nobody is being brainwashed here. It is simple economics being employed by RM. They do not track people starting early. They *do* track people finishing hours early and pinpoint this as an area to save money. It is not difficult to understand.

As to sickness, we had people with literal calendars knowing when they were free to go off sick in our office. The same people would be sick during christmas pressure, or in the week before annual leave - the ‘lead in’ as it was known. People milking the system is the reason RM have done this, not because they want to punish those genuinely ill.
Mickeybrowneyes
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LouBarlow wrote:
20 Oct 2023, 13:19
Ren Hoëk wrote:
20 Oct 2023, 12:46
LouBarlow wrote:
20 Oct 2023, 08:36
People rushing around, starting early, cutting corners to get done early, is as much a reason for the mess we all find ourselves in now as anything RM or the CWU have done. The union have been banging on about doing the job properly for years now and people ignored it. You reap what you sow.
I don't think any of that has anything to do with changing start times, Ripping up our T&Cs in particular our sick pay, totally unrealistic revisions that go above and beyond what ever these "runners" are giving them and Sunday working. Thats on senior management. I don't think Terry starting 20 mins early is the reason we are completely abandoning our obligations to the USO in favour of tracked items.
People taking the piss is exactly why our sick pay has been adjusted, unrealistic revisions are entirely due to runners and idiots starting early. We are to blame for this, not RM or the CWU who have been banging on about the importance of this for decades now.
Yes and no.
Many people will tell you that they were doing the job properly and not making much time on their duty yet Royal Mail still added 300 odd delivery points on their walk in the last revision citing expected decline in work forecasted.
It's all very short cited. I'm sure most can see the explosion of tracked items in last few weeks since winning some new contacts.
We all know a packet/parcel takes longer to deliver than a letter.
Why not forecast in growth when planning revisions.
Privatisation at its finest.
Now it all looks too little too late.
Throwing incentive payments at it while is a welcome payment negotiated by the union is still probably not enough to paint over the cracks for the company.
Lance Jack
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Most of us at my office can see Royal Mail is a failing company. Most of us talk of redundancy in the future (if that ever happens) and changes to the ways of working that may come in, already we know of Saturdays becoming Tracked/SD days only, on Workplace (when I was on it) the then CEO said he wanted to reduce deliveries to three days in the future. Big businesses plan years in advance, it may feel like RM make it up as they go along day by day but they have a plan, we are not part of it.
LouBarlow
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Lance Jack wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 08:19
Most of us at my office can see Royal Mail is a failing company. Most of us talk of redundancy in the future (if that ever happens) and changes to the ways of working that may come in, already we know of Saturdays becoming Tracked/SD days only, on Workplace (when I was on it) the then CEO said he wanted to reduce deliveries to three days in the future. Big businesses plan years in advance, it may feel like RM make it up as they go along day by day but they have a plan, we are not part of it.
How can the staff not be part of it? They aren’t going to deliver items themselves. I know people like to think it is a war between management and workers, but there still needs to be people on the ground doing the work.
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[/quote]How can the staff not be part of it? They aren’t going to deliver items themselves. I know people like to think it is a war between management and workers, but there still needs to be people on the ground doing the work.
[/quote]

"Legacy" staff are not a part of the new Royal Mail. New staff on shitey contracts are what the company is all about.
It's a race to the bottom Lou, are you blind?
RM want OPG's on minimum wage, zero hour contracts and agency staff to paper over the cracks when it's busy.
Valentina@1
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Don’t worry about Lou,he’s just a troll,it’s fine👍
Valentina@1
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A blind troll 👿
bowie
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Post by bowie »

Start time-finish time simple
miles_peters
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Post by miles_peters »

LouBarlow wrote:
20 Oct 2023, 08:36
People rushing around, starting early, cutting corners to get done early, is as much a reason for the mess we all find ourselves in now as anything RM or the CWU have done. The union have been banging on about doing the job properly for years now and people ignored it. You reap what you sow.
atleast the customer got a good service then. now its screwed
LouBarlow
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mwalker88 wrote:
21 Oct 2023, 10:02
How can the staff not be part of it? They aren’t going to deliver items themselves. I know people like to think it is a war between management and workers, but there still needs to be people on the ground doing the work.
[/quote]

"Legacy" staff are not a part of the new Royal Mail. New staff on shitey contracts are what the company is all about.
It's a race to the bottom Lou, are you blind?
RM want OPG's on minimum wage, zero hour contracts and agency staff to paper over the cracks when it's busy.
[/quote]

They want staff on those contracts, but they don’t stick around and I think they are realising that now. We are in the strongest position as workers we have been in years now, which is why this divide and conquer mentality from ‘supposed’ union members baffles me.
Rommagic
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Post by Rommagic »

When will they listen? Seems too late now happy with cut offs as old frames for walks gone.
SpacePhoenix
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Was there any surge in staff leaving in DOs after deal money was paid out?
Jpro747
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Big office down the road is down to around 50 out of 100 staff now.
qwerty2
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How many will leave when they bring in last letter 4:30pm??????
Mcclinton
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I quite like Lou at least he/she gives a alternative view.