Postal workers: Organise to stop the retreat!

[hans solo]

80 thousand CWU represented grades work in Deliveries , that is out of 117 thousand staff.

So Deliveries make up 68% of the overall staff , the ballot was supported by a majority in every function including deliveries.

Supposedly

[Rommagic]

I thought we have 100,000 staff now.

[postslippete]

It doesn't matter what the numbers say, it matters what people thought of the deal.


More strikes and no pay rise or accept the cr*p deal that is on offer and take the bribe that both Royal Mail and the Union leaders have offered which they have secretly agreed behind closed doors. The fact that Dave Ward has now agreed with the company for a 5 day USO is further proof that he is selling us even further down the river. And it's not that I disagree with a 5 day USO which will mean less staff; it's the fact that the company can't even maintain the USO over a Monday to Friday. What's it going to be like with even less days to try and deliver the mail? What's the benefit to us of having a Saturday off if we face an even bigger workload on a Monday? The Union said that they would delay the ballot until the company put the revisions right and they clearly haven't done that in months in our office as it is still failing mail everyday.

There are wider issues with this Union as an organisation as there are probably too many career reps with their snouts in the trough at the top. They must have lost thousands of members who have either left the Union through choice or because they have left the business. In all honesty, I can't see where the new members are going to come from in Royal Mail because a lot of the younger people don't see the benefit of joining a Union. Most of the new recruits tend to be younger and on less pay, terms and conditions as well. There is some vague promise of levelling them up in this deal but considering there are dozens of part timers at our depot still on part time contracts, even though they have been working full time for the last 5 years, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Woody Guthrie]

It doesn't matter what the numbers say, it matters what people thought of the deal.

The numbers say the members preferred the deal to the alternative.

What a lot of people on Facebook and this site get wrong is that they think they are the smartest people in the room and the rest of the membership are just dumb sheep who can be conned by HQ and bribed by a lump sum.

It's an arrogant level of hubris beyond comprehension.

Most members know this isn't a good deal but they're smart enough to understand the law of diminishing returns.

They're also smart enough to understand you cannot continue to bluff with weak cards if your opponent has no other option but to stay in the hand.

That's the position Royal Mail and the CWU found themselves in, they could either call it quits and accept the agreement or raise the stakes call IA and have Royal Mail impose everything but neither side could afford to fold.

Mutually Assured Destruction.
M.A.D. for short.

[enskied]

80 thousand CWU represented grades work in Deliveries , that is out of 117 thousand staff.

So Deliveries make up 68% of the overall staff , the ballot was supported by a majority in every function including deliveries.

What's your function now Martin?
What use are you to us?

Advisory.... Useless

[aiden01]

Cross your fingers Aiden, because you and yours will get f**k all support from us on delivery.
When the time comes.

Thanks for all your support.if this is to do with recent ballot can you honestly tell me the majority in delivery did,nt vote yes.an can you also tell me that mc's are'nt being ripped apart?

Did i miss your reply enskied or does the truth hurt.

[Valentina@1]

Martin,Dave ward,fury & rest have to go…how on earth can we pay them when they quite clearly can’t/don’t want to protect us in work place
Massive shake up needed Top brass CWU
Oh & btw take that unprofessional,annoying head of coms with them

[Valentina@1]

“Back in the room”…….how embarrassing

[postslippete]

Woody, I don't wish to go round in circles on this forum trying to outsmart anyone because like it or lump it, the deal is done. I'm not interested in trying to score points.

I just said what people actually thought of the deal. And you agreed with me because you said "most members know this isn't a good deal" and it's probably because like I pointed out they don't want more strikes and no pay. I get that and so case closed as far I'm concerned. However, some of the guys on the shop floor voted yes because they thought the Union would look at the revisions like they promised. We all know that the business is going to change with later finish times but what is being done about the USO failures on a daily basis??

I'm also a bit concerned that Union membership overall has been in decline. The Union can't really do anything about the two tier workforce but will it impact us in the future when it comes to overtime and that? The Union are on about growing their membership but how are they going to do that when younger staff don't see the value in joining a Union? What do you think about a 5 day USO if the company in 2 years time is making massive profits like they have planned for? Didn't you previously mention something about career reps who haven't delivered a letter in 30 years and planning to fail? Is that what you also mean by Mutually Assured Destruction?

I ask these questions because you said you were a rep and obviously more knowledgeable than me

[enskied]

Cross your fingers Aiden, because you and yours will get f**k all support from us on delivery.
When the time comes.

Thanks for all your support.if this is to do with recent ballot can you honestly tell me the majority in delivery did,nt vote yes.an can you also tell me that mc's are'nt being ripped apart?

Did i miss your reply enskied or does the truth hurt.

Reply to what Aiden?

[Martin Walsh]

Valentina and Enskied one of the problems with this type of social media is individuals in an anonymous basis can attack someone who simply posted a fact or have a different opinion.

I been on this site since it’s beginning and have had many a debate or disagreement but the level of genuine debate and listening to each other is the worst I have experienced.

I been a rep far to long to be bullied. The problem sometimes is this becomes an echo chamber and clearly there were reasons why the majority of members voted for the deal.

It was not the greatest deal but the alternative was and is still far worse.

So for clarity there are 117 thousand possible members in Royal Mail as of June 2022 and out that number there was 104 000 CWU members. There are 80 thousand staff attached to delivery units.

[postieblueshirt]

It doesn't matter what the numbers say, it matters what people thought of the deal.

The numbers say the members preferred the deal to the alternative.

What a lot of people on Facebook and this site get wrong is that they think they are the smartest people in the room and the rest of the membership are just dumb sheep who can be conned by HQ and bribed by a lump sum.

It's an arrogant level of hubris beyond comprehension.

Most members know this isn't a good deal but they're smart enough to understand the law of diminishing returns.

They're also smart enough to understand you cannot continue to bluff with weak cards if your opponent has no other option but to stay in the hand.

That's the position Royal Mail and the CWU found themselves in, they could either call it quits and accept the agreement or raise the stakes call IA and have Royal Mail impose everything but neither side could afford to fold.

Mutually Assured Destruction.
M.A.D. for short.

I'd like to offer something here.I don't know the percentage of workers who know of or use this site but I do know a fair chunk of my office even after many strikes had no clue what was going on what was proposed or indeed any idea what the strikes were about.Some people in my office are amazed when I say things because I've read it on here hell my com had no idea what the hours were for seasonal variation before the had the online meeting,so I was able to tell him before it happened.My point is if you are not on royal mail chat you pretty much have no clue what's going on(we have no rep either so in ours they are clueless)

[Woody Guthrie]

However, some of the guys on the shop floor voted yes because they thought the Union would look at the revisions like they promised.

I think the mistake you make throughout your post pete is in the definition of "the union".

The union isn't Dave Ward or Andy Furey.
It isn't anyone at HQ.

It's us.

Like all unions It's a bottom up structure which means the responsibility to fix revisions starts with us local reps and then through the branch structure to divisional level eventually if all else fails landing on the doorstep of the national officers.

Unless the process starts with us it goes nowhere.

Our revision works because we were invloved, pushed back on their ridiculous proposals to change attendance patterns and start times and ultimately threatened them with a rule 13 ballot with support from our branch.

I'm a rep but still a postie on a shared van duty like everyone else, the changes impact on me as much as anyone.

[steve2zaf]

Valentina and Enskied one of the problems with this type of social media is individuals in an anonymous basis can attack someone who simply posted a fact or have a different opinion.

I been on this site since it’s beginning and have had many a debate or disagreement but the level of genuine debate and listening to each other is the worst I have experienced.

Possibly due to the deal being the worst ever imagined ??

I been a rep far to long to be bullied. The problem sometimes is this becomes an echo chamber and clearly there were reasons why the majority of members voted for the deal.

Possibly due to the immense doomsday scenario you and the CWU constantly pushed ??

It was not the greatest deal but the alternative was and is still far worse.

Purely speculation and scaremongering by the corrupt CWU.

So for clarity there are 117 thousand possible members in Royal Mail as of June 2022 and out that number there was 104 000 CWU members. There are 80 thousand staff attached to delivery units.

2022 was 13 months ago ??

[aiden01]

Cross your fingers Aiden, because you and yours will get f**k all support from us on delivery.
When the time comes.

Thanks for all your support.if this is to do with recent ballot can you honestly tell me the majority in delivery did,nt vote yes.an can you also tell me that mc's are'nt being ripped apart?

Did i miss your reply enskied or does the truth hurt.

Reply to what Aiden?

F all support from del seeing your happy to see mc's f over.an as m walsh has pointed out the figures mc's did'nt sell del out now grow up an accept what's happening. was going to happen wether yes or no.it really is simple.