FAO Martin Walsh !!!

[thefox]

Commit to deliver would be a disaster for us,bullying managers would have a field day especially if your face didn't fit whats to stop them moving you of your duty and putting you on another duty with double mail as often as they like,i do however agree with your 2 tier point the fact some people are still getting phg allowance years after not doing phg is ridiculous.

[Moose67]

It's a pity the management don't commit to deliver the amount of rounds and parcels left in this morning is unbelievable

[Acca Dacca]

No wonder we are in the mess we are as a company.

People are just so unwilling to change! and do not listen or actually read what I have just said.

with regards to:

There would be many more daily arguments about how long a workload should take to deliver.


No not really as it is not a workload thing as such. You commit to deliver your walk and not 'extra' workload. Your walk is yours simple, not difficult is it?

And I did say - It all is about what is fair with the right oversight and governance which the union should be involved in, of course it needs to be a fair and manageable workload.

How would you feel as a customer if you were waiting at home for DPD or amazon to deliver something you ordered and you simply wait wait and wait and then the item does not come as the delivery driver decides to cut off??? - as a customer you would not accept it. and pehaps even raise a complaint.

Yet somehow the fact RM postmen are doing this very thing on a daily basis - cutting off as an employee you find acceptable. I call it quite hypocritical tbh. I don't see provided it is a fair and manageable workload why commit to deliver is such a big deal at all if your done early you go, it is all about haveing the right governance and oversight, as of course if you are going over everyday on your commit to deliver the walk is quite obviously too big.

Like I said fair reasonable and manageable. And I know of DO's and walks that do regulalry finish 30 mins a day early which is all well and good I'm alrite Jack but how is that fair on a person who is going over everyday.

With commit to deliver it is all about fairness as if you fininsh early and go early the hours would reflect accordingly at year end - not pay but hours so you would not be paid less but carry the negative hours over into next year. And same goes for people going over hours would reflect and trigger extra payment of holidays

Perhaps I am naive!!! and it would never work due to custom and practice and the work place culture - but something needs to change as all it is everyday is daily arguments about lapsing and cutting off etc

But maybe I am naive but other certainly are as there are companies I know where there is such thing as compulsary overtime,

It is all about trying to find find the right balalnce and have the governance in place to enable it all to happen, as things as they are cannot conitnue

Clown

[Linden14]

Let's get some fight back for this next week good people,whatever transpires Friday remember we didn't ruin the business they did,we either get some good news or we go down fighting.Take care and enjoy the weekend.

[k979aaa]

It is not the fault of the hard working postmen/women but a failure in leadership in this once great service it is them who should account for their actions. If the ship is sinking it is their own actions but we all know they will jump ship when they cannot achieve their ambition of a slave workforce and the whole ship will go down if they get that!

[11aaa222]

I think u will find u are the clown, can not debate or discuss without resorting to low level abuse just shows lack of inteligence on your part

No wonder we are in the mess we are as a company.

People are just so unwilling to change! and do not listen or actually read what I have just said.

with regards to:

There would be many more daily arguments about how long a workload should take to deliver.


No not really as it is not a workload thing as such. You commit to deliver your walk and not 'extra' workload. Your walk is yours simple, not difficult is it?

And I did say - It all is about what is fair with the right oversight and governance which the union should be involved in, of course it needs to be a fair and manageable workload.

How would you feel as a customer if you were waiting at home for DPD or amazon to deliver something you ordered and you simply wait wait and wait and then the item does not come as the delivery driver decides to cut off??? - as a customer you would not accept it. and pehaps even raise a complaint.

Yet somehow the fact RM postmen are doing this very thing on a daily basis - cutting off as an employee you find acceptable. I call it quite hypocritical tbh. I don't see provided it is a fair and manageable workload why commit to deliver is such a big deal at all if your done early you go, it is all about haveing the right governance and oversight, as of course if you are going over everyday on your commit to deliver the walk is quite obviously too big.

Like I said fair reasonable and manageable. And I know of DO's and walks that do regulalry finish 30 mins a day early which is all well and good I'm alrite Jack but how is that fair on a person who is going over everyday.

With commit to deliver it is all about fairness as if you fininsh early and go early the hours would reflect accordingly at year end - not pay but hours so you would not be paid less but carry the negative hours over into next year. And same goes for people going over hours would reflect and trigger extra payment of holidays

Perhaps I am naive!!! and it would never work due to custom and practice and the work place culture - but something needs to change as all it is everyday is daily arguments about lapsing and cutting off etc

But maybe I am naive but other certainly are as there are companies I know where there is such thing as compulsary overtime,

It is all about trying to find find the right balalnce and have the governance in place to enable it all to happen, as things as they are cannot conitnue

Clown

[11aaa222]

just like you friend scotchy1962 who thinks to disregard anyone that disagrees with her point of view

[11aaa222]

Commit to deliver would be a disaster for us,bullying managers would have a field day especially if your face didn't fit whats to stop them moving you of your duty and putting you on another duty with double mail as often as they like,i do however agree with your 2 tier point the fact some people are still getting phg allowance years after not doing phg is ridiculous.

yes true, practicalities would need to be worked through and I would think that seniority should still stand and managers cannot and should not simply be able to move u to another duty with double mail

yes phg is not just the payment of 20 quid but fully pensionable shift pay higher shift pay and extra 10 mins on their break daily - and historicaly higher o/t rates!

[rmchat112]

ACCA DECCA !!! WHAT A CLOWN!!!

If I have nothing constructive to say don't say it!

[rmchat112]

I for one can see exactly the points made

We just need a deal now and get the money in our pockets

The pay in our pockets and change will work its way out as things are changing whether we like it or not!

Just have to be real!

And I agree a industrial action strike notification would really focus minds of the board I think...

These talks cannot just indefinitely continue and keep being extended

Male or break time I feel sink or swim just get it done!

[Acca Dacca]

Talking about more strikes whilst championing commit to deliver = clown

[rmchat112]

You really are dumb aren't you.

Do you not get it

Striking and ia notice would add pressure on both sides to get a deal done

Dumb as f**k

[rmchat112]

Commit to deliver is just a proposal by the way

It's a discussion!!!

God almighty!

[Acca Dacca]

You really are dumb aren't you.

Do you not get it

Striking and ia notice would add pressure on both sides to get a deal done

Dumb as f**k

I'll say it again

Calling for more strikes on one hand whilst saying commit to deliver should be implemented on the other = clown

if you believe the above, then you too are a clown

[rmchat112]

ACCA DECCA you live in cloud cuckoo land ... Senior bod with cushieest walk in the office

No wonder u do not want change