Reasons to vote yes!

[piranha]

No I'm biting

[nelp]

Incidentally although I will be better off if this deal goes through, Its not an improvement on conditions which is what we went on strike for. So vote NO

What were you expecting for an improvment on conditions. They can only make you work to your time. you are entitled to a meal break. The shorter working week wont be till walk sequenceing arrives in your office. But if your current workload is too much stick to the H/S guidelines and bring the work back, then you walk must become lighter.

[belle smith]

Incidentally although I will be better off if this deal goes through, Its not an improvement on conditions which is what we went on strike for. So vote NO

What were you expecting for an improvment on conditions. They can only make you work to your time. you are entitled to a meal break. The shorter working week wont be till walk sequenceing arrives in your office. But if your current workload is too much stick to the H/S guidelines and bring the work back, then you walk must become lighter.

Looking foward to the longer delivery spans already!

[singingpostman]

Incidentally although I will be better off if this deal goes through, Its not an improvement on conditions which is what we went on strike for. So vote NO

What were you expecting for an improvment on conditions. They can only make you work to your time. you are entitled to a meal break. The shorter working week wont be till walk sequenceing arrives in your office. But if your current workload is too much stick to the H/S guidelines and bring the work back, then you walk must become lighter.

Try late Saturdays for starters, and dont tell me I will get more of them off, because neithier my DOM nor my rep can tell me how that will happen in our rural office. I was certainly not expecting day specific D2D which will almost certainly be Saturdays,I wasnt expecting D2Ds all year round, (be good over Christmas that will wont it ?). You know and I know it's just going to lead to more arguments with DOMs about whats doable and what is'nt, at 55 I aint built for unspecified span deliveries, I could go on but thats already enough to deserve a big NO, as for working my time and cutting off dont worry ,already do that, in fact did it today, Thanks for your concern.

[Big Daz]

2012 gross basic pay on a 39 hour week will be £372

372/39 X 30 +30 for supplement and defined area =£317 paid 52 weeks a year

My minium gross pay including shift allowance at a mere £4.65 is £280.35

So you see Im going to be getting £37 for DTD

Thought you was on 30hrs daz?

I am, take the hourly rate after 2012 payrise goes on and mutiply by 30 hours then you add on my defined area payment and then you add on three quarters and a bit of the supplement which will have had two rises and you get £317 gross and I will be doing DTD, without DTD I earn £280.35. That £280 figure includes Early shift (0530) allowance. Therefore by and including April 2012 payrise RM will be giving me £37 weekly for DTD.

£317 for a 30 hour week and assuming DTD into workload does what is says on the tin and as Im the rep responsible for ensuring it does in my D.O im sure it will, then that sounds like a good deal to me.

[belle smith]

Before joining Royal Mail 7/8 years ago I had worked in retail and retail management for a long time. I actually earned less than an average postman's salary as a FT retail manager. When I first started I could not believe how easy the job was, starting at 5 (though I soon learned get in at 4 to finish earlier) and at home by 9:30 most days having a break before going back for the 2nd delivery (probably now known as mis-sorts!).

You had a job and finish before RM introduced it in 2004?? no you didn't, because you have said your self you came back for you 2nd delivery, why you weren't sacked for "going home" inbetween i don't know, but you should consider yor self lucky....after a confession like that i don't know how you have the gall to call anyone else workshy bastards!

I think anyone who has worked their whole lives at RM have had no idea what a real days work was up until recently. It really annoys me that people have paid off mortgages etc working about half the hours they have been paid for, even earning huge overtime payments for a couple of hours extra work. Well, those days are over people and we will now be worked like donkeys to pay for your luxurious final salary pension whilst we get about 30% of our salary come retirement time. I have had enough of all this industrial relation BS and workshy ******* and will be voting 'yes'.

I've worked plenty other places and RM is easily the most physically demanding job i've ever done, certainly more than rertail management. With an agreement that says no longer any maximum delivery spans, allied to our new retierment age of 65. it will get a whole lot worse

Have you looked at the job adverts recently? Our pay is still much higher than many jobs out there.

it's suddenly about pay now. Since the unions now highlighting the pay aspect when previously "it was not about pay"....i'll take that as a tacit admission that they know they have failed.

[POSTMAN]

2012 gross basic pay on a 39 hour week will be £372

372/39 X 30 +30 for supplement and defined area =£317 paid 52 weeks a year

My minium gross pay including shift allowance at a mere £4.65 is £280.35

So you see Im going to be getting £37 for DTD

Thought you was on 30hrs daz?

I am, take the hourly rate after 2012 payrise goes on and mutiply by 30 hours then you add on my defined area payment and then you add on three quarters and a bit of the supplement which will have had two rises and you get £317 gross and I will be doing DTD, without DTD I earn £280.35. That £280 figure includes Early shift (0530) allowance. Therefore by and including April 2012 payrise RM will be giving me £37 weekly for DTD.

£317 for a 30 hour week and assuming DTD into workload does what is says on the tin and as Im the rep responsible for ensuring it does in my D.O im sure it will, then that sounds like a good deal to me.

I see the bits in your 1st post now as well.
f**k me Daz you're on the button.

[clashcityrocker]

I am a bit tired of reading how much individuals are going to make or lose on this deal - and that's leaving aside the histrionics of how much we are all going to lose when we are doing 10 D2D evey day- surely the only question is: Do we collectively gain by this agreement?
Do we collectively gain by D2D going into workload?
Do we collectively gain by a 52 week supplement in place of the D2D payments?
And though a hundred posters will come on and tell us all that they are losing 10 million squids/week I haven't yet seen a post from someone who currently doesn't get much because there office doesn't get many D2D's. There must be some.They too have kids to feed. They too have mortgages to pay.
For the record I come from one of those offices that ALWAYS gets 3 D2D/week except this week I have 2 and last week only 1.
If you think we collectively gain - you vote yes.
If you think we collectively lose - you vote no.

[Big Daz]

There is no poor guy, my DTD arrangement with the lovley lass of a floater is a voluntary matter that runs from week to week, at any point in time I can choose to do 80%. In fact ive done that for the last 3 weeks as lovely SS lass of a floater has been on leave down under.


The lovley SS lass of a floater is a 30 hour week PT, so like me so will be getting the £317

The facts remain that my payslip from April 2012 if this all goes through will say £317 minium gross 52 weeks a year.

So the question I have to ask myself, as per the topic title is this a reason to vote yes.

[fishtank]

There is no poor guy, my DTD arrangement with the lovley lass of a floater is a voluntary matter that runs from week to week, at any point in time I can choose to do 80%. In fact ive done that for the last 3 weeks as lovely SS lass of a floater has been on leave down under.


The lovley SS lass of a floater is a 30 hour week PT, so like me so will be getting the £317

The facts remain that my payslip from April 2012 if this all goes through will say £317 minium gross 52 weeks a year.

So the question I have to ask myself, as per the topic title is this a reason to vote yes.

But the point you continually gloss over Daz is that if you do your D2D your payslip NOW would say approx £305 or if you like to average it £300.

So the question you have to ask yourself has to be a balanced question from the start.

[numan]

I am a bit tired of reading how much individuals are going to make or lose on this deal - and that's leaving aside the histrionics of how much we are all going to lose when we are doing 10 D2D evey day- surely the only question is: Do we collectively gain by this agreement?
Do we collectively gain by D2D going into workload?
Do we collectively gain by a 52 week supplement in place of the D2D payments?
And though a hundred posters will come on and tell us all that they are losing 10 million squids/week I haven't yet seen a post from someone who currently doesn't get much because there office doesn't get many D2D's. There must be some.They too have kids to feed. They too have mortgages to pay.
For the record I come from one of those offices that ALWAYS gets 3 D2D/week except this week I have 2 and last week only 1.
If you think we collectively gain - you vote yes.
If you think we collectively lose - you vote no.

Until we actually see in writing issues like call rate, walk speed, delivery spans, so called Saturday menus etc, i.e all the things relating to working conditions that we thought this agreement was going to clarify for us, then I don't see how anybody can say we gain collectively.

[dvbuk55]

There is no poor guy, my DTD arrangement with the lovley lass of a floater is a voluntary matter that runs from week to week, at any point in time I can choose to do 80%. In fact ive done that for the last 3 weeks as lovely SS lass of a floater has been on leave down under.


The lovley SS lass of a floater is a 30 hour week PT, so like me so will be getting the £317

The facts remain that my payslip from April 2012 if this all goes through will say £317 minium gross 52 weeks a year.

So the question I have to ask myself, as per the topic title is this a reason to vote yes.

Absolutely NOT, you as usual presume too much - you assume there is going to be an increase in the supplement and you assume that the pay rise will be 3.5% in 2012 and neither are the case. And lets face it THAT is 2012 and this is 2010 you are making a song and dance about what COULD be not what is reality - I could win the lottery but the likelihood is I won't.

You don't have to make things up Daz - if this deal was any good it would stand on its own merit TODAY and it doesn't! The leadership are so worried about the reaction that they are once again mounting local meetings and have in fact told reps NOT to organise their own meetings but to make sure they do not take place before the "face to face" meeting with whoever from Wimbledon. They've miscalculated the power of bullshit this time and the believers are definitely in the minority after the last debacle.

[nelp]

Numan that is my real problem with the deal we need to see call rates ideas around 1 in 4 saturdays walk speeds etc.

We currently do a four day week and have 1 in 3 off but some guys would prefer a shorter day, ie a 5 day week but we need to see the menu of ideas for 1 in 4.

it would also be helpfull if they run the new numbers in call rate etc over current walks and see the diffrence it makes. that would give us some idea on if conditions have improved

[belle smith]

Numan that is my real problem with the deal we need to see call rates ideas around 1 in 4 saturdays walk speeds etc.

We currently do a four day week and have 1 in 3 off but some guys would prefer a shorter day, ie a 5 day week but we need to see the menu of ideas for 1 in 4.

it would also be helpfull if they run the new numbers in call rate etc over current walks and see the diffrence it makes. that would give us some idea on if conditions have improved

even if we see the walk speeds call rates and 'the menu' etc They are not and won't be part of this national agreement and they can be changed in the future as with the locally agreed delivery spans
I know the CWU will say that RM can't take EA under the new revision process but that process is only agreed until 2013.

[LJR]

2012 gross basic pay on a 39 hour week will be £372

372/39 X 30 +30 for supplement and defined area =£317 paid 52 weeks a year

My minium gross pay including shift allowance at a mere £4.65 is £280.35

So you see Im going to be getting £37 for DTD

Thought you was on 30hrs daz?

I am, take the hourly rate after 2012 payrise goes on and mutiply by 30 hours then you add on my defined area payment and then you add on three quarters and a bit of the supplement which will have had two rises and you get £317 gross and I will be doing DTD, without DTD I earn £280.35. That £280 figure includes Early shift (0530) allowance. Therefore by and including April 2012 payrise RM will be giving me £37 weekly for DTD.

£317 for a 30 hour week and assuming DTD into workload does what is says on the tin and as Im the rep responsible for ensuring it does in my D.O im sure it will, then that sounds like a good deal to me.

So over 3 years you make 10 quid extra a week less tax and NI of say £3.50 so get say £6.50 each week per year for the next three years ish? The price you pay for that money in your pocket may seem OK but it is a large increase in your work load through households that you have to do and extra mail generated through recovery of the UK as time goes on, 20.000+ Postal workers jobs and all before you have taken account of your bills that you pay? My Poll tax has gone up about a pound a week i assume yours is around about the same so already you are down to a £5.50 rise this year (Next year they will LEAP because CG has told DCs to keep them low because of elections!) but still £5.50 year on year is not so bad as long as rent petrol electricity gas and all the other things we all need to live stay the same or come down! Will that happen? I don’t think so either so what you are selling is huge job losses and pay cuts and i don’t think that’s something to about.