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Can anything be done

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Re: Can anything be done

Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

Snooperloopy wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 09:40
Certain workers at our office are sneaking I with the driver at 3am and doing unpaid work. This is great for the management. But is this allowed or even legal regarding health and safety
Is it allowed? Well, its frowned upon and anyone working before or after their shift should be getting paid. All you can do is explain, in a non-aggressive manner, why it's better if they didn't go in early.

As to H&S. There are many threads on here, especially from the early days, and unfortunately, the general take is that H&S has no little to no bearing on it. Something to do with "Public Liability" or "Vicarious Liability"
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Re: Can anything be done

Post by hans solo »

You can ask for a complete new revision as the hours are being taken out the office and affect the workload for the day
Your rep should also be asking for unpaid hours to be put into workload and request more full time staff as the hours are obviously needed
And your right about your own workload people doing it for free puts extra work onto yourself prob meaning your out the door earlier with more time on delivery
Hope the ones starting early are not finishing early either
Not working their allocated hours
If they finish early ask for same finish time
Blatant favourites and discrimination right there
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Post by broughts »

Don’t think your insured if start before duty time starts unless asked by a manager I might be wrong
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Post by redlen »

You are fully insured with public and employee liability insurance.

Royal Mail as an employer still has a duty of care with its employees and those not employed by the business. Saying that if you contributed to any personal injury through negligence any claim faces up to a 25% reduction with any financial award.
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Post by mightyowler »

Absolute mugs if coming In before duty time! On top of not being paid for commenced hours, Insurance won’t pay them anything if accidents happen.

Morons
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Re: Can anything be done

Post by 2yearpostie »

And here lies the problem with the company, if everyone focused on what they were meant to be doing rather than what everyone else is doing, then forget about the place when they get home everyone would be happier rather than obessing on stuff that doesnt affect them or things where they wont know the whole situation.
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Re: Can anything be done

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2yearpostie wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 17:19
And here lies the problem with the company, if everyone focused on what they were meant to be doing rather than what everyone else is doing, then forget about the place when they get home everyone would be happier rather than obessing on stuff that doesnt affect them or things where they wont know the whole situation.
People working for free and fxxkin up duties does affect everone else
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Re: Can anything be done

Post by sorefeet17 »

2yearpostie wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 17:19
And here lies the problem with the company, if everyone focused on what they were meant to be doing rather than what everyone else is doing, then forget about the place when they get home everyone would be happier rather than obessing on stuff that doesnt affect them or things where they wont know the whole situation.
It will affect them though when hours are taken out of the office because the true figures are being fudged.
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sorefeet17 wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 13:12
2yearpostie wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 17:19
And here lies the problem with the company, if everyone focused on what they were meant to be doing rather than what everyone else is doing, then forget about the place when they get home everyone would be happier rather than obessing on stuff that doesnt affect them or things where they wont know the whole situation.
It will affect them though when hours are taken out of the office because the true figures are being fudged.
Thats for the com to worry about, not the people on the floor.
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Re: Can anything be done

Post by k979aaa »

Snooperloopy wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 09:40
Certain workers at our office are sneaking I with the driver at 3am and doing unpaid work. This is great for the management. But is this allowed or even legal regarding health and safety
How do you mean sneaking in with a driver at 3am?
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Post by 2yearpostie »

Snooperloopy wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 16:52
The drivers delivering the mail open up n they just come in when the doors open
Good for them, you most likely dont know the full story and unless it mucks your day up, stay in bed till your time and let your com worry about it.
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Re: Can anything be done

Post by qwerty2 »

Snooperloopy wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 16:52
The drivers delivering the mail open up n they just come in when the doors open
Sad ba*tards
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Post by derekm »

A few years back our rep complained to Dom about early unpaid starters because it was having us to do more lapsing. he put a stop to it but soon changed when lapsing started getting left in and early starters & runners were back doing what they do
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Re: Can anything be done

Post by toonshola »

2yearpostie wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 13:53
sorefeet17 wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 13:12
2yearpostie wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 17:19
And here lies the problem with the company, if everyone focused on what they were meant to be doing rather than what everyone else is doing, then forget about the place when they get home everyone would be happier rather than obessing on stuff that doesnt affect them or things where they wont know the whole situation.
It will affect them though when hours are taken out of the office because the true figures are being fudged.
Thats for the com to worry about, not the people on the floor.
Incorrect. No com is going to speak to Bob and say please stop giving me free work in the morning, they love it. We should all be politely pointing out to these people that starting early for free affects everyone. It makes us who start on time look slow, potentially stops part timers being made to full time, and if enough posties do it they will inevitably come to cut hours out the office. It’s selfish and there is no good reason for doing it. If you worked in Asda you wouldnt start stacking shelves 40 mins early so why people do it here I just can’t get my head round it.
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Re: Can anything be done

Post by 2yearpostie »

toonshola wrote:
01 Oct 2022, 11:49
2yearpostie wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 13:53
sorefeet17 wrote:
28 Sep 2022, 13:12
2yearpostie wrote:
27 Sep 2022, 17:19
And here lies the problem with the company, if everyone focused on what they were meant to be doing rather than what everyone else is doing, then forget about the place when they get home everyone would be happier rather than obessing on stuff that doesnt affect them or things where they wont know the whole situation.
It will affect them though when hours are taken out of the office because the true figures are being fudged.
Thats for the com to worry about, not the people on the floor.
Incorrect. No com is going to speak to Bob and say please stop giving me free work in the morning, they love it. We should all be politely pointing out to these people that starting early for free affects everyone. It makes us who start on time look slow, potentially stops part timers being made to full time, and if enough posties do it they will inevitably come to cut hours out the office. It’s selfish and there is no good reason for doing it. If you worked in Asda you wouldnt start stacking shelves 40 mins early so why people do it here I just can’t get my head round it.
Generally start an hour early, finish an hour early, the working duration is the same.