Can someone explain please :)

[scootscoot]

Hey everyone, I have four weeks of leave still available and we are in the second period of average holiday pay which I think is from April-Sept,
If I don't use any of my leave and do the average 8hr OT every month the whole period will I still qualify for the holiday pay payment? I'm very confused (or do I need to use my leave before I trigger the payment?)

Thank you for any clarification

[fb1969]

Holiday pay on leave is now being paid when you take the leave. As far as I know it is the average overtime worked over the 12 weeks before you take the leave, but the 8 hours a month in every month will still apply. There are no more six monthly back payments.

[yellowbelly]

Holiday pay on leave is now being paid when you take the leave. As far as I know it is the average overtime worked over the 12 weeks before you take the leave, but the 8 hours a month in every month will still apply. There are no more six monthly back payments.

The calculation still goes back six months (not 12 weeks). see LTB 283/22 attachment viewtopic.php?f=67&t=105525

Otherwise the system solution should assess and calculate overtime holiday pay in
accordance with the national agreement, including:
• For weekly paid colleagues, assessing the regularity of overtime over the 6 RM
financial periods prior to the financial period in which holiday is taken

[fb1969]

Thanks for the correction good to know with me being on leave soon and overtime bans potentially coming in!

[Charliecat]

Jumping on this thread because holiday pay is clear as mud! Just tried phoning and hr is unable to answer holiday pay queries. My managers don't know either. So I've just been paid for my first week and it included holiday average pay. I have another week coming and wondered if my average had been paid in the first week so I get basic in second week? Then I'm back 2 weeks and have another week off so will that week be based on the 2 weeks before??? As I said clear as mud! Hope my question is a bit clearer??

[*horcrux*]

As far as I understand it as long as you qualify by having 8hrs overtime in each accounting period then you will get paid your average hours of the last 12 weeks for each week that you are off up to 4 weeks. It doesn't matter how the hidays are spaced out.
They payments will all be paid on the friday in the week that you are on holiday which to me sort of feels like it's a payment in advance but that's how they do it

Hope this makes it clearer

Edit: apparently it's the previous 26 weeks not 12 but the principle is the same

[yellowbelly]

As far as I understand it as long as you qualify by having 8hrs overtime in each accounting period then you will get paid your average hours of the last 12 weeks for each week that you are off up to 4 weeks. It doesn't matter how the hidays are spaced out.
They payments will all be paid on the friday in the week that you are on holiday which to me sort of feels like it's a payment in advance but that's how they do it

Hope this makes it clearer

The calculation is still based on the previous 6 months, NOT 12 weeks, see the document in : viewtopic.php?f=67&t=105525

[scootscoot]

As far as I understand it as long as you qualify by having 8hrs overtime in each accounting period then you will get paid your average hours of the last 12 weeks for each week that you are off up to 4 weeks. It doesn't matter how the hidays are spaced out.
They payments will all be paid on the friday in the week that you are on holiday which to me sort of feels like it's a payment in advance but that's how they do it

Hope this makes it clearer

The calculation is still based on the previous 6 months, NOT 12 weeks, see the document in : viewtopic.php?f=67&t=105525

You said it goes back 6 months? do you mean 6 royal mail financial months? from october to march add april to september? or just 6 months from the date your leave is booked from? cheers

[Charliecat]

As far as I understand it as long as you qualify by having 8hrs overtime in each accounting period then you will get paid your average hours of the last 12 weeks for each week that you are off up to 4 weeks. It doesn't matter how the hidays are spaced out.
They payments will all be paid on the friday in the week that you are on holiday which to me sort of feels like it's a payment in advance but that's how they do it

Hope this makes it clearer

Thankyou so I will get holiday pay in each week. Well I should do as I do every tues pm in callers . Still not too clear but clearer!!!

[yellowbelly]

As far as I understand it as long as you qualify by having 8hrs overtime in each accounting period then you will get paid your average hours of the last 12 weeks for each week that you are off up to 4 weeks. It doesn't matter how the hidays are spaced out.
They payments will all be paid on the friday in the week that you are on holiday which to me sort of feels like it's a payment in advance but that's how they do it

Hope this makes it clearer

The calculation is still based on the previous 6 months, NOT 12 weeks, see the document in : viewtopic.php?f=67&t=105525

You said it goes back 6 months? do you mean 6 royal mail financial months? from october to march add april to september? or just 6 months from the date your leave is booked from? cheers

There's an example in the attachment in the hyperlinked document I referred to above. It's worked out backwards 6 months'ish ie 6 qualifying
financial periods as RM calls them) from the week you take your leave.

For weekly paid colleagues, assessing the regularity of overtime over the 6 RM
financial periods prior to the financial period in which holiday is taken, and
• For monthly paid colleagues, assessing the regularity of overtime over the 6 calendar
months prior to the calendar month in which holiday is taken;

[davidjstirton]

if i just started on 28th february this year when would i qualify for the average holiday payments ?

[yellowbelly]

if i just started on 28th february this year when would i qualify for the average holiday payments ?

You'd need six months of pay data to be eligible for any holiday pay uplift (if any) so that'd be for any leave
after 29th August (roughly). You'd obviously must need to have worked 8 hours OT in each of those (roughly)
monthly/4 week pay periods to qualify for a payment.

[Charliecat]

As far as I understand it as long as you qualify by having 8hrs overtime in each accounting period then you will get paid your average hours of the last 12 weeks for each week that you are off up to 4 weeks. It doesn't matter how the hidays are spaced out.
They payments will all be paid on the friday in the week that you are on holiday which to me sort of feels like it's a payment in advance but that's how they do it

Hope this makes it clearer

Thankyou so I will get holiday pay in each week. Well I should do as I do every tues pm in callers . Still not too clear but clearer!!!

UPDATE

Didn't get paid average hol pay for both weeks, only first week? Kind of defeats object of average holiday pay. Now I'm thinking I will get a basic pay when I'm off again in 2 weeks time. Why can't someone just answer this from hr??

[yellowbelly]

As far as I understand it as long as you qualify by having 8hrs overtime in each accounting period then you will get paid your average hours of the last 12 weeks for each week that you are off up to 4 weeks. It doesn't matter how the hidays are spaced out.
They payments will all be paid on the friday in the week that you are on holiday which to me sort of feels like it's a payment in advance but that's how they do it

Hope this makes it clearer

Thankyou so I will get holiday pay in each week. Well I should do as I do every tues pm in callers . Still not too clear but clearer!!!

UPDATE

Didn't get paid average hol pay for both weeks, only first week? Kind of defeats object of average holiday pay. Now I'm thinking I will get a basic pay when I'm off again in 2 weeks time. Why can't someone just answer this from hr??

But are these holiday weeks you are taking mean you don't work 8hrs OT in the 4/5 week qualifying periods 30 May - 26 June and/or
27 June - 31 July?

If not then you've not achieved the threshold to qualify for holiday pay for those holiday weeks. Bizarrely taking holidays too close together
can disqualify you from getting holiday pay!

[Charliecat]

As far as I understand it as long as you qualify by having 8hrs overtime in each accounting period then you will get paid your average hours of the last 12 weeks for each week that you are off up to 4 weeks. It doesn't matter how the hidays are spaced out.
They payments will all be paid on the friday in the week that you are on holiday which to me sort of feels like it's a payment in advance but that's how they do it

Hope this makes it clearer

Thankyou so I will get holiday pay in each week. Well I should do as I do every tues pm in callers . Still not too clear but clearer!!!

UPDATE

Didn't get paid average hol pay for both weeks, only first week? Kind of defeats object of average holiday pay. Now I'm thinking I will get a basic pay when I'm off again in 2 weeks time. Why can't someone just answer this from hr??

But are these holiday weeks you are taking mean you don't work 8hrs OT in the 4/5 week qualifying periods 30 May - 26 June and/or
27 June - 31 July?

If not then you've not achieved the threshold to qualify for holiday pay for those holiday weeks. Bizarrely taking holidays too close together
can disqualify you from getting holiday pay!

I've worked 8 hours ave every month. So july I've 2 weeks with 8 hours each and August ill have 3 weeks with 8 hours each. There is usually 4 weeks in a month so that's not a problem. I just thought the idea was to make sure if you usually did at least 8 hours a week then you would get that in every pay week even if you have 2 weeks in a row?