stages

[apple]

ok so it seems we have a new COM that seems to have gone back to the bad old days of just issuing stages, cooking hate that!

so I did one recently and he got the stage I know no appeal at this level stage 1 I try and put as much in as I can so if ever it goes further then it will be easy to get them off cause I haven't met a manager yet that does one properly

I mentioned a couple of times I believed he met the definition of disability for two of the absences, I know I cannot appeal a stage 1 but, I am being told I can put in a disagreement?? cause you have discrimination against him due to his disability,

how do I go about doing that? im one of the reps that have had just 2 days training in what 4- years I started just before it kicked off with rico! been a roller coaster, my area rep just never gets back to me, getting pissed with him, so if anyone can point me in the right direction and what I need to do I would be most thankful ta

[redlen]

Being disabled and what you believe is disabled are two totally different scenario.
You have to satisfy many descriptors. Ultimately on a judge at an employment tribunal can make that decision

In your case has the employee had an assessment with Occupational Health?

They will do a report and will say if they believe he satisfies those characteristics being disabled?
Reasonable adjustments can then be put into place officially

The first thing you need to do is get that referral to Occupational Health, If the Manager refuses throw section 20 Equality Act 2010 at him

[apple]

The definition of ‘disability’ under the Equality Act 2010
In the Act, a person has a disability if:
• they have a physical or mental
impairment
• the impairment has a substantial and long-term adverse effect on their ability to perform normal day-to-day activities
For the purposes of the Act, these words have the following meanings:
• ‘substantial’ means more than minor or trivial
• ‘long-term’ means that the effect of the impairment has lasted or is likely to last for at least twelve months
• ‘normal day-to-day activities’ include everyday things such as eating, washing, walking and going shopping.


I have just been going off the attendance procedure definition, so I usually say, I believe he meets this criteria

[redlen]

Sorry to sound blunt but you are not qualified to make that decision

That is why you need that report from Occupational Health as it gives you a cause of action with management

[apple]

be as blunt as you want its fine, just trying to find out what to do, thanks for the help

[Woody Guthrie]

Anything that can help to "solidify" the disability is advisable.

If possible a DWP assessment is as good as it gets but failing that verification from a consultant.

Some local authorities have voluntary registers ​​of disabled people in their area which can help.

Occupational Health is just another opinion and one that is biased towards who pays their bills.

Managers are obviously fully trained in all disciplines of modern medicine from oncology to gynecology so expect some push back.

[POSTMAN]

my area rep just never gets back to me

I remember some c*** calling us militant loons, and another c*** stating that all we did was give out poor information on here, and other c***s stating that we should not be used and to go to a proper CWU rep.

I remember c***s.

Apologies for my language.

[tomtallis]

[tomtallis]

my area rep just never gets back to me

I remember some c*** calling us militant loons, and another c*** stating that all we did was give out poor information on here, and other c***s stating that we should not be used and to go to a proper CWU rep.

I remember c***s.

Apologies for my language.

Wasn't impressed with my area, nor they with me. They didn't know half the s**t I'd learned about here. But they did return my calls, far too late far too often for my liking. Hey they couldn't be expected to start work at the same time we did when theyre on full-time release.

[daveyeff]

Anything that can help to "solidify" the disability is advisable.

If possible a DWP assessment is as good as it gets but failing that verification from a consultant.

Some local authorities have voluntary registers ​​of disabled people in their area which can help.

Occupational Health is just another opinion and one that is biased towards who pays their bills.

Managers are obviously fully trained in all disciplines of modern medicine from oncology to gynecology so expect some push back.

The gynecology training is what makes them c***s.

[wazer]

How do RM proof that you have been told about stage one if you don't sign for it.I never yrs ago was just issued with a letter telling me. So wots stopping anybody saying I was not told.
Surley it's against the law to issue a stage 1 and not be able to disagree with it.

[redlen]

You agreed to no appeal at the relevant stages through a collective bargained agreement and taking the golden carrot.

There is also no obligation with a signature when a stage is issued. The absence and absence meeting is a statement of fact, as long as the manager has informed you it is being issued

The Acas Code says that employees should be given the right to appeal a disciplinary or grievance outcome. The problem again is that the policy has been agreed through that collective bargained agreement so unlikely an Employment Tribunal would be interested

[Woody Guthrie]

So wots stopping anybody saying I was not told

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Ignorantia juris non excusat.

It's a basic thing in law.

Without it every day would be The Forever Purge.