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RMCtv : More Tray Hygiene Complaints from Downstream Access Customers - Urgent Action Needed Now Please

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RMCtv : More Tray Hygiene Complaints from Downstream Access Customers - Urgent Action Needed Now Please

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More Tray Hygiene Complaints from Downstream Access Customers - Urgent Action Needed Now Please

Our biggest Access customers continue to tell us that they are very concerned about the condition of the trays they are receiving from us so we are once again asking everyone across Operations to play your part in ensuring that trays are supplied in a safe and hygienic condition. We face the very real threat of financial sanctions if we can’t get this right as we are breaching our contract with our customers. Not only that, but at a time when covid infections are increasing rapidly throughout the country, our customers are raising serious safety concerns about the condition of trays, particularly when they find trays containing used PPE which, worryingly, is not uncommon. As I am sure you will all agree it is not acceptable for colleagues and customers to be put at risk from used PPE etc. being left in empty trays.

As well as PPE we have received recent photographic evidence of customers being given unhygienic, unsafe trays containing the following:
Rubbish including half eaten food and used coffee cups, sweet wrappers etc
  • Human excrement
    A leaking bottle of urine
    Broken glass from a smashed bottle
    Jagged pieces of broken tray
    Blood stained tissues
    Live mail (this Mail Integrity issue is very concerning, particularly at a time when our customers are focusing heavily on Quality)
We all need to do the right thing by ensuring that Royal Mail colleagues and customers are not put at risk through handling dangerous trays. It is not only the safety of our customers that is being compromised but that of our colleagues as well who are being put in danger by the irresponsible actions of a minority as the dirty, unsafe trays are just as likely to be used in our own network as to be given to customers.

We need your support to act now to ensure the correct operational processes are adhered to at source; these are the Presentation Standards as below:

Mail Centres - Trays before Handover to DSA carriers should be checked and correctly stacked before 141 swaps take place. If they are not upside down with labels removed, this must be done in the MC as per the Quality gate before handover. Note any non-compliant DOs from the labels in the trays and feed this back to aid compliance.

Mail Centres - Surplus trays after 141 Swaps must also be stacked upside down before repatriating to an RDC to ensure they are ready and fit for customer use. Not all trailers are unloaded in an RDC and may go direct to high volume customer in the condition they were loaded in.

Deliveries - Trays are to be tipped, labels removed, turned individually upside down and stored upside down (48 per York) after Mail is tipped at IPS and at the RM2000 frames. We estimate that by inverting trays individually before stacking them, circa 90% of complaints would be eliminated.

Deliveries - DOMs and ADOMs to ensure trays presented to distribution for repatriation in the designated areas maintain this compliance, if they are NOT they should not be repatriated

Local Distribution - Repatriate only compliant trays in the correct format (Upside down with labels removed) back to the MC. This will ensure the MC receives correctly stacked and clean trays for handover to the access carriers and customers

You will see from the photographs taken by our customers that this is a shocking and totally unacceptable situation that cannot be allowed to continue. Please take action now to resolve this serious problem as there is a risk of financial sanctions, reputational damage, customer complaints about Quality and Mail Integrity and the very real possibility that a colleague or customer could suffer physical harm.

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Re: RMCtv : More Tray Hygiene Complaints from Downstream Access Customers - Urgent Action Needed Now Please

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I would also be asking the question why people are needing to use trays for human excrement and urine, Simon ?
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noggin1969 wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 16:27
I would also be asking the question why people are needing to use trays for human excrement and urine, Simon ?

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Post by DGH »

noggin1969 wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 16:27
I would also be asking the question why people are needing to use trays for human excrement and urine, Simon ?

SIMON SAYS:

Team! It's absolutely essential that all delivery officers inform their colleagues of designated toilet stops on their routes via their walk logs. But I understand that for a small minority of walks, identifying suitable facilities may be an issue. That's why I'm keen to promote our super new uniform, which has trousers you can order that are guaranteed 100% excretion-proof, so that RM equipment and - importantly - customers' mail will be protected from any unfortunate accidents, Also, make sure you catch up with our great new 'pelvic floor exercises video' now available on Workplace. Remember, Team, please don't take the piss - it is the job of senior managers to s**t all over the business.
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Post by WASD »

DGH wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 17:25
....... it is the job of senior managers to s**t all over the business.
Quality post! :Applause

The last quoted bit i've left in as extra funny.

I personally can't stand dirty vans, trays and toilets. There's only so much i'm willing to tidy though. If i see a tray full of dried coffee i launch it across the office. I'll clean my own coffee spills, but i sure as hell don't have time to fart about with other people's.

Personally i could not give a poop about our customers receiving dirty gross trays. When you Simon accept that DOMs and managers are the majority of the problem, as are the senior managers etc, then we can move on.

Unfortunately for you Simon this problem will get worse, i guarantee it.
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POSTMAN wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 16:03
Mail Centres - Trays before Handover to DSA carriers should be checked and correctly stacked before 141 swaps take place. If they are not upside down with labels removed, this must be done in the MC as per the Quality gate before handover. Note any non-compliant DOs from the labels in the trays and feed this back to aid compliance.
They can dream on, we don't have time to be going through the boxes removing the labels and we don't have the time to be going through the trays emptying them of anything that isn't mail. Unless a tray is massively falling apart it'll get used as it is
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Post by cockneyrebel »

Current Jobs page 19 depots looking for cleaners and many like ours not got one permanent anymore despite 2 years of Covid ?????
EVERY Depot in the country over 30 staff should have full time cleaner
But as usual we just dont want to pay-part time only !!
Tray hygiene hardly high on list of tasks to do in daily operations of the depot re managers or postpersons
As we now know over 100 depots in trouble re mail/parcel delays
All boils down to one BASIC FACT
WE NOT A TEAM ANYMORE
We were in the old days, but now just individuals re to many different contracts/part timers/start/end times etc
When everyone virtually full time-individual indoor job, then maybe depots cleared and place clean/tidy
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Post by HTPostman »

Very good point, we are not a team anymore. It’s like everything, there’s no monitoring - trays left in the yard on a daily basis, get on the chuffing cctv, see who’s doing it and warn them...written warnings, preliminary final warning, final warning, dismissal. Same with people leaving crap in the van, people leaving yorks in the yard - I watched one guy finish loading his van, push his york out the way (brake left off) and walk back indoors, it would’ve taken little effort to push it back inside with him. Random checks on the state of rubbish in vans returning to the depot (that will mean managers staying past midday), go to town on anyone caught with the seatbelt plugged in.

RM let standards drop years ago. It will be very hard to recover now.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.

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Post by ted_e_bear »

I like how they estimate that stacking the trays upside down will eradicate 90% of the problem, so basically the thinking behind that is most of the s**t will fall out on to the floor.....not really addressing the issue is it ?
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HTPostman wrote:
15 Jan 2022, 00:09
Very good point, we are not a team anymore. It’s like everything, there’s no monitoring - trays left in the yard on a daily basis, get on the chuffing cctv, see who’s doing it and warn them...written warnings, preliminary final warning, final warning, dismissal. Same with people leaving crap in the van, people leaving yorks in the yard - I watched one guy finish loading his van, push his york out the way (brake left off) and walk back indoors, it would’ve taken little effort to push it back inside with him. Random checks on the state of rubbish in vans returning to the depot (that will mean managers staying past midday), go to town on anyone caught with the seatbelt plugged in.

RM let standards drop years ago. It will be very hard to recover now.
:Applause Yes, the rot has set in now, and just like a piece of wood, when the rot sets in you have to replace the piece of wood. That's the only real way forward now sadly.
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Post by Jahpostie »

People don't have time factored into their day to pick their nose so how can they be expected to do the job properly. We're f&cking human beings not robots. Even robots get oiling and maintenance, posties get lapsing!
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Post by Mr Rush »

DGH wrote:
14 Jan 2022, 17:25
SIMON SAYS:

That's why I'm keen to promote our super new uniform, which has trousers you can order that are guaranteed 100% excretion-proof
We need those 'stillsuits' from Dune. All the walking we do will provide the pump action to filter excrement without ever needing to divert off-route. Then and only then can we provide the DSA leeches... I mean customers with hygenic trays.
The machine stops.
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Post by tractorboy2 »

How about we actually start charging them for mail they send to the wrong MC.
Secondly they could buy their own damn trays.
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Post by twoloops »

We have trays scattered all over our car park some been out their for months, pity RM do not have a place you can tip them off with your complaints & problems, anonymous if needed?
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Post by Haditup »

Leaving Used PPE about Goes to show the mindset of some lazy uncaring selfish people working within Royal Mail.
Management are to blame with their blasé “Why should I give a xxxk ” attitude.