The Revision process in Delivery?

[Phantom]

Anybody had a fully working structural revision implemented yet?
Is it working? was it done fairly?

We are in the early stages of ours, no sign of any communication from either management or the union regarding what is happening etc.

Unmeasured work hours is part of the revision, how is this calculated?

[POSTMAN]

Some chat here...
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[General Mannerheim]

Unmeasured work hours is part of the revision, how is this calculated?

Most of the `unmeasured work` is stuff like what the callers office does, basically it's mostly anything that isn't delivering mail so if you've loads of people on indoor work like say in the locker, callers, doing sign offs etc then you can bet your ass that these muppets will be taking a good luck at there duties to make more savings, so if your staff indoors do 150 hours a week they will sat you only need 100 hours.....you know... bullshit.

[greengiant]

Unmeasured work hours is part of the revision, how is this calculated?

Most of the `unmeasured work` is stuff like what the callers office does, basically it's mostly anything that isn't delivering mail so if you've loads of people on indoor work like say in the locker, callers, doing sign offs etc then you can bet your ass that these muppets will be taking a good luck at there duties to make more savings, so if your staff indoors do 150 hours a week they will sat you only need 100 hours.....you know... bullshit.

And if those on indoor work are covered by the equality act?

[rambo1]

No revision although we need one. Taken the hr off by taking the time off the indoor, so everyone just getting out later and claiming the overtime . In reality part timers getting double as they finish later thus claim overtime plus getting increased pay rate too.

[Cucumber]

No revision although we need one. Taken the hr off by taking the time off the indoor, so everyone just getting out later and claiming the overtime . In reality part timers getting double as they finish later thus claim overtime plus getting increased pay rate too.

Slightly related question, is the pay increase for part time staff on ALL hours, including overtime?

[Grumpyoldmailman]

In reality part timers getting double as they finish later thus claim overtime plus getting increased pay rate too.

How are they getting double, everybody is on the same payrate?

[Zicomurphy]

Unmeasured work hours is part of the revision, how is this calculated?

Most of the `unmeasured work` is stuff like what the callers office does, basically it's mostly anything that isn't delivering mail so if you've loads of people on indoor work like say in the locker, callers, doing sign offs etc then you can bet your ass that these muppets will be taking a good luck at there duties to make more savings, so if your staff indoors do 150 hours a week they will sat you only need 100 hours.....you know... bullshit.

And if those on indoor work are covered by the equality act?

It will be the person that’s covered by the act not the duty. Nothing to stop them cutting indoor duties if that’s how they want to make their savings.

[rambo1]

No revision although we need one. Taken the hr off by taking the time off the indoor, so everyone just getting out later and claiming the overtime . In reality part timers getting double as they finish later thus claim overtime plus getting increased pay rate too.

Slightly related question, is the pay increase for part time staff on ALL hours, including overtime?

That's a good question. I just presumed it would be, otherwise they'd be getting paid less to do overtime.

[rambo1]

In reality part timers getting double as they finish later thus claim overtime plus getting increased pay rate too.

How are they getting double, everybody is on the same payrate?

Look, a part timer on say 30hrs who is at the moment on sick or annual leave, will have more in their pay this week, a full timer in the same situation, will not. How can I make it more clear.
When they both return to work , as they are both getting out late, due to the full timer starting 15 mins later (their 'perk' of the shorter working week), and full timers doing the IPS thus governing what time EVERYONE gets out the office, they will both then be claiming overtime at the end of the day.
Full timer just gets the overtime, part timer gets overtime AND the pay rise too.
If you can't understand this, I give up.

[Rael, the IAK]

But for the hours that they have worked, they have been paid exactly the same rate. So no one is being paid more than the other for the work they've done. Unless of course one of them is managing to get away with finishing early.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

Look, a part timer on say 30hrs who is at the moment on sick or annual leave, will have more in their pay this week, a full timer in the same situation, will not. How can I make it more clear.
When they both return to work , as they are both getting out late, due to the full timer starting 15 mins later (their 'perk' of the shorter working week), and full timers doing the IPS thus governing what time EVERYONE gets out the office, they will both then be claiming overtime at the end of the day.
Full timer just gets the overtime, part timer gets overtime AND the pay rise too.
If you can't understand this, I give up.

Probably best if u give up pal. You will have the pay rise on the overtime as well.

[Route1]

In reality part timers getting double as they finish later thus claim overtime plus getting increased pay rate too.

How are they getting double, everybody is on the same payrate?

Look, a part timer on say 30hrs who is at the moment on sick or annual leave, will have more in their pay this week, a full timer in the same situation, will not. How can I make it more clear.
When they both return to work , as they are both getting out late, due to the full timer starting 15 mins later (their 'perk' of the shorter working week), and full timers doing the IPS thus governing what time EVERYONE gets out the office, they will both then be claiming overtime at the end of the day.
Full timer just gets the overtime, part timer gets overtime AND the pay rise too.
If you can't understand this, I give up.

There are a few ways to look at it. I get what Rambo is saying but I disagree with his conclusion / viewpoint.

Everyone will be on the same pay rate. Overtime rate will increase inline with basic pay / ssw

A f/t will drop an hour & still get paid the same amount per week. In my book this is a payrise and i understand some would prefer an increase in wages without dropping an hour. On the downside, a f/t will be expected to do the same amount of work in 12min less time each day. Or as Royal Mail claim mail volumes dropping therefore less indoor time needed.

A p/t will get an increase in wages per week.

[rambo1]

We'll get our pay rise in the form of overtime (absorbing that hr is not possible when most are over every day anyway) , when we're on holiday we will not. The part timer will get their pay rise EVERY week of the year PLUS the extra overtime that getting out later will incur. In my book that makes the part timer better off. Simple.

[clashcityrocker]

We'll get our pay rise in the form of overtime (absorbing that hr is not possible when most are over every day anyway) ,

You are forgetting the agreement to increase efficiency.