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Re_pick
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Coffee lover
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Re: Re_pick
Managers don’t want it as it will upset their favourites so they will lie as usual and say we aren’t obliged to have one
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POSTMAN
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Re: Re_pick
It doesn't matter what the managers want, or those in cushty duties.
The chances are there will be enough critea for a repick.
The chances are there will be enough critea for a repick.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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POSTMAN
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Re: Re_pick
RESOURCING JOBS DURING MAJOR CHANGE
16.1 The new standard resourcing procedures covered in the previous two sections of this agreement benefit employees by giving them regular opportunities to apply for a change of job, both within their unit and their resourcing area. These incorporate and standardise the current practises of rolling re-signs, based on seniority.
This section deals with the only other circumstance where people change jobs. This is where jobs alter significantly as a result of the introduction of major change. The overriding aims for managing all such exercises must be to minimise customer disruption and avoid unnecessary displacement of employees in a way that conforms to equal opportunities legislation. This will be ensured by timely planning and full CWU involvement at all stages of the exercise.
16.2 Major change is defined as:
• The relocation or merger of units;
• A significant process alteration arising from automated working or reshaping of the pipeline;
• Delivery revisions, which involve significant re-plotting of walks or significant restructuring of attendance patterns (e.g. full-time/part-time mix, five-day weeks, ‘longs and shorts’ or ‘night plus a first delivery’, where they are agreed).
16.3 Major change is defined as:
• Revisions of staffing arrangements, using the procedures agreed in the Performance Bonus Scheme, to implement the Performance Bonus Scheme, Shorter Working Week, Meal Relief Harmonisation and Work Time Learning or to improve alignment of staffing to workload in order to make performance improvements, unless they fall into the categories of major change defined in paragraph 2 above.
• Delivery revisions which do not involve significant re-plotting of first delivery walks.
Where such a revision displaces an individual, or where an individual’s earnings are affected, local discussions shall take place in line with the principles contained in Sections 14 and 15, which may vary the order to protect the individuals displaced. Timely planning will reduce the number of people affected in this way by the revision.
16.4 Where there is a major change as defined above, the key principles for dealing with the re-sign are:
• Employees whose jobs remain unaffected by the major change will retain them;
• These employees will have the option of applying for any of the jobs involved in the re-sign resulting from the major change, provided they have completed a minimum of twelve months on their existing duty (see Section 14 and 15). If this creates a resultant vacancy that would be filled using the normal resourcing procedures in Section 14 or 15;
• Employees taking part in the re-sign will be given the opportunity to advise of any personal circumstances, which necessitate a particular duty type or attendance pattern and, where practical, this will be accommodated. Where this happens, there will be prior discussion with the local CWU rep;
• The re-sign and all consequential training must be planned into the revision process;
• Specialist jobs that are reselected against are filled using the procedure in Section 15;
• The re-sign will be run using a national standard procedure based on seniority, and not take more than four weeks to complete. In very large units, agreement to an extension to this deadline must be given by the Head if Performance following local discussion between management and CWU. At the end of the exercise all jobs and reserve posts must have been signed for.
16.5 All major change schemes (as defined above) must be planned so as to have in place an agreement covering selection, placement and training, minimising and then managing surpluses and all other employee issues at least 13 weeks before the Ready for Service (RFS) date, or dates if the project is in phases. (Planning and discussions through Strategic Involvement and the IR Framework should start at least 12 months in advance of any planned major change). This agreement must conform to existing national agreements. In the event of any failure to reach agreement by this date, the points of difference will be referred to Service Delivery Headquarters and CWU Headquarters for resolution.
Way forward agreement in downloads...
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=11941
16.1 The new standard resourcing procedures covered in the previous two sections of this agreement benefit employees by giving them regular opportunities to apply for a change of job, both within their unit and their resourcing area. These incorporate and standardise the current practises of rolling re-signs, based on seniority.
This section deals with the only other circumstance where people change jobs. This is where jobs alter significantly as a result of the introduction of major change. The overriding aims for managing all such exercises must be to minimise customer disruption and avoid unnecessary displacement of employees in a way that conforms to equal opportunities legislation. This will be ensured by timely planning and full CWU involvement at all stages of the exercise.
16.2 Major change is defined as:
• The relocation or merger of units;
• A significant process alteration arising from automated working or reshaping of the pipeline;
• Delivery revisions, which involve significant re-plotting of walks or significant restructuring of attendance patterns (e.g. full-time/part-time mix, five-day weeks, ‘longs and shorts’ or ‘night plus a first delivery’, where they are agreed).
16.3 Major change is defined as:
• Revisions of staffing arrangements, using the procedures agreed in the Performance Bonus Scheme, to implement the Performance Bonus Scheme, Shorter Working Week, Meal Relief Harmonisation and Work Time Learning or to improve alignment of staffing to workload in order to make performance improvements, unless they fall into the categories of major change defined in paragraph 2 above.
• Delivery revisions which do not involve significant re-plotting of first delivery walks.
Where such a revision displaces an individual, or where an individual’s earnings are affected, local discussions shall take place in line with the principles contained in Sections 14 and 15, which may vary the order to protect the individuals displaced. Timely planning will reduce the number of people affected in this way by the revision.
16.4 Where there is a major change as defined above, the key principles for dealing with the re-sign are:
• Employees whose jobs remain unaffected by the major change will retain them;
• These employees will have the option of applying for any of the jobs involved in the re-sign resulting from the major change, provided they have completed a minimum of twelve months on their existing duty (see Section 14 and 15). If this creates a resultant vacancy that would be filled using the normal resourcing procedures in Section 14 or 15;
• Employees taking part in the re-sign will be given the opportunity to advise of any personal circumstances, which necessitate a particular duty type or attendance pattern and, where practical, this will be accommodated. Where this happens, there will be prior discussion with the local CWU rep;
• The re-sign and all consequential training must be planned into the revision process;
• Specialist jobs that are reselected against are filled using the procedure in Section 15;
• The re-sign will be run using a national standard procedure based on seniority, and not take more than four weeks to complete. In very large units, agreement to an extension to this deadline must be given by the Head if Performance following local discussion between management and CWU. At the end of the exercise all jobs and reserve posts must have been signed for.
16.5 All major change schemes (as defined above) must be planned so as to have in place an agreement covering selection, placement and training, minimising and then managing surpluses and all other employee issues at least 13 weeks before the Ready for Service (RFS) date, or dates if the project is in phases. (Planning and discussions through Strategic Involvement and the IR Framework should start at least 12 months in advance of any planned major change). This agreement must conform to existing national agreements. In the event of any failure to reach agreement by this date, the points of difference will be referred to Service Delivery Headquarters and CWU Headquarters for resolution.
Way forward agreement in downloads...
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=11941
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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maisymoo04
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Re: Re_pick
Really i no were you our all coming from on this but depends on how many staff our in your unit etc. We have posties who dont want to come off there duties and would be happy with a table top revision, I no every office is different on this subject and yes people want to come off dutys and put in for another one. unfortually its down to the posties on this as you said managers might upset there blue eyes i have seen it happening and yes it all boils down to seniority.

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toonshola
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Re: Re_pick
Been told in our office that we are having a re pick of duties but it will be based purely on seniority, so no part time or full time duties. This in effect is creating a situation where all the part timers will lose their walks and be reserves. Seems really unfair, not only do we get shitty part time contracts but now we are back to the stress of being moved around every week/day. I’m not surprised though as the union never misses an opportunity to screw the part timers over. Is this the same in other offices?
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mags999
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Re: Re_pick
at the end of the day its down to seniority not part time or full time what about full time reserves who see part timers pick up permanent walks when theyve only been there 5 minutes
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toonshola
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Re: Re_pick
I get what your saying and maybe I would feel the same way if I was in their shoes. But saying that I would rather have a full time contract and be a reserve than be stuck on 26 hours and have a duty. Just seems the part timers are always abused and forgotten about. Just life in Royal Mail unfortunately.
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yubin282
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Re: Re_pick
This sounds pretty fair in my experience.toonshola wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 16:29Been told in our office that we are having a re pick of duties but it will be based purely on seniority, so no part time or full time duties. This in effect is creating a situation where all the part timers will lose their walks and be reserves. Seems really unfair, not only do we get shitty part time contracts but now we are back to the stress of being moved around every week/day. I’m not surprised though as the union never misses an opportunity to screw the part timers over. Is this the same in other offices?
In my office Part-timers are treated like extremely well...6 months in the job and getting duties, good ones.
Theres FT reserves with 18 years service who can't get a duty.
Personally I'm looking forward to the re-pick so i can get a duty and the female part-timers can finally experience the 'less desirable areas'. Like I and many others have too. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A PILE OF DOG s**t IS!!
I've no doubt things will be "manipulated" to suit the needs of a lazy/useless DOM.
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Grumpyoldmailman
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Re: Re_pick
Are they not making any of your contracts up to full time during the revision, apparently a good chuck at ours will get an uplift later in the year when ours is sorted out.toonshola wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:01I get what your saying and maybe I would feel the same way if I was in their shoes. But saying that I would rather have a full time contract and be a reserve than be stuck on 26 hours and have a duty. Just seems the part timers are always abused and forgotten about. Just life in Royal Mail unfortunately.
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toonshola
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Re: Re_pick
I’ve not been able to get a good answer on that but I’ve been here 11 years and some above me have been here 17 years with no increase above the 26 hour contract, so I won’t be holding my breath.Grumpyoldmailman wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 19:17Are they not making any of your contracts up to full time during the revision, apparently a good chuck at ours will get an uplift later in the year when ours is sorted out.toonshola wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 08:01I get what your saying and maybe I would feel the same way if I was in their shoes. But saying that I would rather have a full time contract and be a reserve than be stuck on 26 hours and have a duty. Just seems the part timers are always abused and forgotten about. Just life in Royal Mail unfortunately.
I would literally take a float covering the 5 most run down dog s**t filled delivery’s if it meant I could be made up to full time. We shall see.
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PJ101
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Re: Re_pick
"Been told in our office that we are having a re pick of duties but it will be based purely on seniority, so no part time or full time duties. This in effect is creating a situation where all the part timers will lose their walks and be reserves. Seems really unfair, not only do we get shitty part time contracts but now we are back to the stress of being moved around every week/day. I’m not surprised though as the union never misses an opportunity to screw the part timers over. Is this the same in other offices?"
My understanding is that offices will have full and part time duties. Part Timers can only cover PT duties and FT cover full time duties. This ensures the right balance of FT and PT are in the office every day. I would assume separate leave arrangements will be in place etc.
Am I wrong?
My understanding is that offices will have full and part time duties. Part Timers can only cover PT duties and FT cover full time duties. This ensures the right balance of FT and PT are in the office every day. I would assume separate leave arrangements will be in place etc.
Am I wrong?
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toonshola
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Re: Re_pick
That is the way it has been done in previous revisions but apparently not this time. I’m not sure if it’s just a local thing or national but my office is definitely going down this route. I’m baffled how it’s going to work as all the duties will be snapped up by full timers. I’m sure there is a master plan somewherePJ101 wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 19:49"Been told in our office that we are having a re pick of duties but it will be based purely on seniority, so no part time or full time duties. This in effect is creating a situation where all the part timers will lose their walks and be reserves. Seems really unfair, not only do we get shitty part time contracts but now we are back to the stress of being moved around every week/day. I’m not surprised though as the union never misses an opportunity to screw the part timers over. Is this the same in other offices?"
My understanding is that offices will have full and part time duties. Part Timers can only cover PT duties and FT cover full time duties. This ensures the right balance of FT and PT are in the office every day. I would assume separate leave arrangements will be in place etc.
Am I wrong?
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mags999
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Re: Re_pick
its a disgrace after 11 years in the job you havent been offererd a full time contract the union want shot with shitte' for that 
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SpacePhoenix
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