Revisions and evr

Rommagic · Post by **Rommagic** » 16 Jul 2020, 16:31

That's what the cwu and royal mail are talking about.

Cucumber · Post by **Cucumber** » 16 Jul 2020, 16:52

Your opinion?

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 16 Jul 2020, 16:54

How can you attempt to do any type of revision when we are not working the way we normally do and has been totally changed with this covid 19 , ie posties using there cars , working from home etc , its f***ing

to even mention it , then what if the company get what they want and dutys go so posties are expected to mop up that workload and would they be another revision ? im guessing NO , and imo this is a desperate money saving revision and thats it.

Cucumber · Post by **Cucumber** » 16 Jul 2020, 17:03

worktotime wrote:How can you attempt to do any type of revision when we are not working the way we normally do and has been totally changed with this covid 19 , ie posties using there cars , working from home etc , its f***ing to even mention it , then what if the company get what they want and dutys go so posties are expected to mop up that workload and would they be another revision ? im guessing NO , and imo this is a desperate money saving revision and thats it.

I have a niggling concern that high up bosses are looking at offices that are coping remarkably well through this, and I salute them for their efforts, but they are wanting hours out of them that they aren't using.

Rommagic · Post by **Rommagic** » 16 Jul 2020, 17:05

Cucumber wrote:Your opinion?

Terry on Facebook

TheStrangler · Post by **TheStrangler** » 16 Jul 2020, 18:24

Just seen the latest cwu update. How can they have revisions locally when a 37 hour week hasn't been agreed? Or are we to assume these revisions will be based on 38 hours and the extra hour (should we get it agreed) will be deducted in some way in future?
Surely it has to be all (nationally) or not at all?
As for VRs he mentioned surplus so does that simply mean where they cut the number of duties thus leaving 'surplus' staff?

Cucumber · Post by **Cucumber** » 16 Jul 2020, 18:37

We are failing around 1/4 of walks every day. Good luck with a local revision.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 16 Jul 2020, 19:33

As for VRs he mentioned surplus so does that simply mean where they cut the number of duties thus leaving 'surplus' staff?

As Royal Mail aren't stupid and have been operating a recruitment freeze for six months and filling resourcing gaps in mail centres with casuals there will be very little surplus.

If you were cynical you could say the union is complicit or at least silent on this because existing long term members are a better cash cow than chasing new starts to join.

It is of course an incredibly short sighted approach because the demographic of the business and the membership just gets older and older.

Post by **rambo1** » 16 Jul 2020, 20:44

Cucumber wrote:We are failing around 1/4 of walks every day. Good luck with a local revision.

Exactly this.

elteleltel · Post by **elteleltel** » 16 Jul 2020, 20:54

Should be 36 hrs in Oct .

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 17 Jul 2020, 09:05

after watching TP video again on facebook , can you tell me why if the talks are all hunky dory why the company are sending these so called ambassadors in to offices and bleating all there s**t, 3 day weeks , job losses etc

, and the CWU are aware of this happening

, so why arent the cwu telling the company that by doing this it wont change posties thoughts on working with the company and the culture and trust will never change , and tell them that the talks stop until they stop there stupid games because he did say nothing they are saying is true and arent part of there talks nationally , so who in the company is doing this then ?

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 17 Jul 2020, 09:58

can you tell me why if the talks are all hunky dory why the company are sending these so called ambassadors in to offices and bleating all there s**t, 3 day weeks , job losses etc , and the CWU are aware of this

In order to claim victory you first have to show what defeat might look like.

The bleaker a picture Royal Mail paints the prettier a picture the union can paint when the deal is finally done so it's in the union's interest to allow the business to continue to scare the members as much as possible.

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 17 Jul 2020, 16:17

Woody Guthrie wrote:
can you tell me why if the talks are all hunky dory why the company are sending these so called ambassadors in to offices and bleating all there s**t, 3 day weeks , job losses etc , and the CWU are aware of this
In order to claim victory you first have to show what defeat might look like.

The bleaker a picture Royal Mail paints the prettier a picture the union can paint when the deal is finally done so it's in the union's interest to allow the business to continue to scare the members as much as possible.

So Terry's for gotten about the 4 pillars section on culture change , dignity , respect etc ?

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 17 Jul 2020, 16:43

TheTrolleyMan wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:
can you tell me why if the talks are all hunky dory why the company are sending these so called ambassadors in to offices and bleating all there s**t, 3 day weeks , job losses etc , and the CWU are aware of this
In order to claim victory you first have to show what defeat might look like.

The bleaker a picture Royal Mail paints the prettier a picture the union can paint when the deal is finally done so it's in the union's interest to allow the business to continue to scare the members as much as possible.
So Terry's for gotten about the 4 pillars section on culture change , dignity , respect etc ?

yes , but thats not an issue at national level ,

, and you want to be thankful you still have a job regardless how you are treated at the shite level and working through this coronavirus , watch titanic you will realise where you stand ,

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 17 Jul 2020, 16:44

So Terry's for gotten about the 4 pillars section on culture change , dignity , respect etc ?

Every agreement we've had has had a section on culture change, dignity, respect etc.

They would have been as well writing it in Klingon with invisible ink for all the f***ing good it's done.