Day off cover help?

Ozcabsmangan · Post by **Ozcabsmangan** » 18 Jun 2020, 11:50

Are we losing job? Been a postie 20 year, am part time day off cover. People saying rm are getting rid of us? No one really tells me anything at our office. Would like some advice
Shall I be looking for a new job?

doorstepped · Post by **doorstepped** » 18 Jun 2020, 13:12

you have got 20 years in the job, you don't need to wory about losing it.

RM would like to go to 5 day mail deliveries with packets etc on weekends, thus getting rid of rest day covers etc.

this could remove 20k jobs, can't see it happening myself for a while, but with 20 years in the job there will be plenty before you would go, some on VR if it gets offered :)

Ozcabsmangan · Post by **Ozcabsmangan** » 18 Jun 2020, 13:32

Thank you very much for your reply, being a day off cover it has been on my mind but actually have 22 years service so hopefully will be ok
Am worried for all the other day off covers at our office though as some of those only been here a few years
Let's hope everything works out not too bad
Again thank you so much for taking the time to reply

yubin282 · Post by **yubin282** » 18 Jun 2020, 15:27

Does it matter if you're a reserve? Surely it will be decided on seniority or lack of it.

vinny · Post by **vinny** » 18 Jun 2020, 15:34

If it happens it will be VRs no compulsory redundancies

poisonpostie · Post by **poisonpostie** » 18 Jun 2020, 17:24

I would take vr tomorrow but keep getting told none to go in our office,mind you that is the manager talking (only time you can believe anything he says is when he is asleep) lying b*****d.

Cucumber · Post by **Cucumber** » 18 Jun 2020, 18:07

The truth is, nobody knows what they will come up with to decide on redundancy selection, if indeed that happens.

theotherone · Post by **theotherone** » 18 Jun 2020, 18:10

If indeed redundancy did happen there is no way in this world you would be first out the door just because you are a day off cover/reserve etc.

Post by **HTPostman** » 18 Jun 2020, 18:14

At this stage I wouldn’t worry too much. Personally this is the approach that I think will happen in order:

Plan 1: RM will at some point announce huge changes, some people really won’t adapt to them and will leave and look for another job. For example, if they were to say hours are changing from 7.30-3.30 to 9-5, absolutely no exceptions, come in early all you want but the clock in machine won’t accept your card until 9 and you must work every minute till 5...suddenly everyone who has to pick up kids will look for another job. It’s like the Asda situation, give everyone new contracts tell them to sign it or leave.

2. RM will then target those they don’t want here. Sorry if this is hard hitting but those who are older, slowing down, those who argue on a daily basis, especially higher cost FT staff....RM will constantly pinpoint them, pushing them over petty things, again to the point they will get fed up and leave of their own accord. I can see it being good cop/bad cop, one manager saying you missed a single tracked scan 2 weeks ago, we are watching your performance, another manager saying the job isn’t getting any easier have you thought of retiring.

3. After people have quit of their own free will, with little cost to RM, they’ll then offer redundancy but I wouldn’t expect the terms to be great.

4. Final stage of the plan, and I reckon enough will leave from the first 3 stages so they’ll never get this far; compulsory redundancies. Obviously it will be done on seniority.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 18 Jun 2020, 18:29

Long term job loses will be worse in MCs as RM automate more and more of the work over time

Chelseablue · Post by **Chelseablue** » 19 Jun 2020, 13:24

20 yrs service and still a floater thats not great .

Post by **Navalron** » 20 Jun 2020, 05:50

HTPostman wrote:At this stage I wouldn’t worry too much. Personally this is the approach that I think will happen in order:

Plan 1: RM will at some point announce huge changes, some people really won’t adapt to them and will leave and look for another job. For example, if they were to say hours are changing from 7.30-3.30 to 9-5, absolutely no exceptions, come in early all you want but the clock in machine won’t accept your card until 9 and you must work every minute till 5...suddenly everyone who has to pick up kids will look for another job. It’s like the Asda situation, give everyone new contracts tell them to sign it or leave.

2. RM will then target those they don’t want here. Sorry if this is hard hitting but those who are older, slowing down, those who argue on a daily basis, especially higher cost FT staff....RM will constantly pinpoint them, pushing them over petty things, again to the point they will get fed up and leave of their own accord. I can see it being good cop/bad cop, one manager saying you missed a single tracked scan 2 weeks ago, we are watching your performance, another manager saying the job isn’t getting any easier have you thought of retiring.

3. After people have quit of their own free will, with little cost to RM, they’ll then offer redundancy but I wouldn’t expect the terms to be great.

4. Final stage of the plan, and I reckon enough will leave from the first 3 stages so they’ll never get this far; compulsory redundancies. Obviously it will be done on seniority.

I think you are on the correct track. But I have a sibling who is quite senior in RM. They have been talking about offering everyone a job who wants to stay but they must sign a new inferior contract with less pay, holidays and conditions. It is being run through HR at the moment with a bit of stalemate from decent people who think that people still matter. If they don't sign the new contract they will be out. Now remember the amount of people in a year or two who will be willing to work for far less. JAG group who owns British airways is doing that exact thing as we speak and their union is pants. This was under Mr backs plans, so while new members of the top team come and go it will be several months before you hear too much about it. But let me ask all you reps out there. Why don't you ask the union higherarcy did they know about this about NOVEMBER2019 time. That was the reason the tupe from parcel force to another arms length company was held up. Parcel force is going nowhere now, it will be Royal mail parcels, what it used to be and not a separate company anymore.. Things are pretty grim.

Post by **wacko74** » 20 Jun 2020, 06:01

Chelseablue wrote:20 yrs service and still a floater thats not great .

I'm exactly the same.

Even with 20 years under my belt my only option for picking my own duty in a full resign would be to take one of the worst 2 or 3 (out of 65) in the office that nobody wants.

Ren Hoëk · Post by **Ren Hoëk** » 20 Jun 2020, 09:09

Navalron wrote:
HTPostman wrote:At this stage I wouldn’t worry too much. Personally this is the approach that I think will happen in order:

Plan 1: RM will at some point announce huge changes, some people really won’t adapt to them and will leave and look for another job. For example, if they were to say hours are changing from 7.30-3.30 to 9-5, absolutely no exceptions, come in early all you want but the clock in machine won’t accept your card until 9 and you must work every minute till 5...suddenly everyone who has to pick up kids will look for another job. It’s like the Asda situation, give everyone new contracts tell them to sign it or leave.

2. RM will then target those they don’t want here. Sorry if this is hard hitting but those who are older, slowing down, those who argue on a daily basis, especially higher cost FT staff....RM will constantly pinpoint them, pushing them over petty things, again to the point they will get fed up and leave of their own accord. I can see it being good cop/bad cop, one manager saying you missed a single tracked scan 2 weeks ago, we are watching your performance, another manager saying the job isn’t getting any easier have you thought of retiring.

3. After people have quit of their own free will, with little cost to RM, they’ll then offer redundancy but I wouldn’t expect the terms to be great.

4. Final stage of the plan, and I reckon enough will leave from the first 3 stages so they’ll never get this far; compulsory redundancies. Obviously it will be done on seniority.

I think you are on the correct track. But I have a sibling who is quite senior in RM. They have been talking about offering everyone a job who wants to stay but they must sign a new inferior contract with less pay, holidays and conditions. It is being run through HR at the moment with a bit of stalemate from decent people who think that people still matter. If they don't sign the new contract they will be out. Now remember the amount of people in a year or two who will be willing to work for far less. JAG group who owns British airways is doing that exact thing as we speak and their union is pants. This was under Mr backs plans, so while new members of the top team come and go it will be several months before you hear too much about it. But let me ask all you reps out there. Why don't you ask the union higherarcy did they know about this about NOVEMBER2019 time. That was the reason the tupe from parcel force to another arms length company was held up. Parcel force is going nowhere now, it will be Royal mail parcels, what it used to be and not a separate company anymore.. Things are pretty grim.

I do not believe RM would be so stupid to attack its staffs T&Cs so callously in the wake of this pandemic which made us all Key workers and quite frankly highlighted that we are a vital part of this countries infrastructure. It would be career suicide and I would fully expect government intervention as public opinion would demand it.

Il quite happily eat my Royal Mail supplied hat if any of that comes to fruition but for now Il say your source is talking S.H.I.T.

Post by **HTPostman** » 20 Jun 2020, 19:33

Navalron wrote:
HTPostman wrote:At this stage I wouldn’t worry too much. Personally this is the approach that I think will happen in order:

Plan 1: RM will at some point announce huge changes, some people really won’t adapt to them and will leave and look for another job. For example, if they were to say hours are changing from 7.30-3.30 to 9-5, absolutely no exceptions, come in early all you want but the clock in machine won’t accept your card until 9 and you must work every minute till 5...suddenly everyone who has to pick up kids will look for another job. It’s like the Asda situation, give everyone new contracts tell them to sign it or leave.

2. RM will then target those they don’t want here. Sorry if this is hard hitting but those who are older, slowing down, those who argue on a daily basis, especially higher cost FT staff....RM will constantly pinpoint them, pushing them over petty things, again to the point they will get fed up and leave of their own accord. I can see it being good cop/bad cop, one manager saying you missed a single tracked scan 2 weeks ago, we are watching your performance, another manager saying the job isn’t getting any easier have you thought of retiring.

3. After people have quit of their own free will, with little cost to RM, they’ll then offer redundancy but I wouldn’t expect the terms to be great.

4. Final stage of the plan, and I reckon enough will leave from the first 3 stages so they’ll never get this far; compulsory redundancies. Obviously it will be done on seniority.

I think you are on the correct track. But I have a sibling who is quite senior in RM. They have been talking about offering everyone a job who wants to stay but they must sign a new inferior contract with less pay, holidays and conditions. It is being run through HR at the moment with a bit of stalemate from decent people who think that people still matter. If they don't sign the new contract they will be out. Now remember the amount of people in a year or two who will be willing to work for far less. JAG group who owns British airways is doing that exact thing as we speak and their union is pants. This was under Mr backs plans, so while new members of the top team come and go it will be several months before you hear too much about it. But let me ask all you reps out there. Why don't you ask the union higherarcy did they know about this about NOVEMBER2019 time. That was the reason the tupe from parcel force to another arms length company was held up. Parcel force is going nowhere now, it will be Royal mail parcels, what it used to be and not a separate company anymore.. Things are pretty grim.

Hopefully they are talking porky pies. £11+ an hour for unskilled labour is pretty good, but when every day is like Christmas pressure and it’s snowing or a heatwave or chucking it down we are worth penny.

I’d hope though before they try to cut our terms which will demotivate about 99.9% of us, they start looking at where the business isn’t productive and is losing money:

-People going home early and not working the hours they are paid.

-Ghost overtime.

-Lack of planning giving too many holidays at the same time then paying them overtime to come in and work their holidays. One guy did a full 6 days, 8 hours a day = 48 hours plus 38 hours basic. That’s not far off £1k, ridiculous!

-All those little silly things like frames not being in order or showing how to tie up, not knowing codes for apartment blocks, having to queue up once for your specials then having to queue up again for van keys. It all adds up.