Overtime while on leave

sylwana811 · Post by **sylwana811** » 28 Feb 2020, 14:56

Hi,
I’m on 35 hrs contract now, but from the beginning of signing this contract ( 6 months), I’m doing 38.
On the weekly payslip these extra 3 hrs comes up as SSPR.
Should I being paid these extra 3 hrs when on leave, if so, will 3 hrs come up on payslip as SSPR, as well?

Thank you for all your answers

number one · Post by **number one** » 28 Feb 2020, 15:32

If it’s SA overtime (which it should be) the yes, you should be paid it when on leave

sylwana811 · Post by **sylwana811** » 28 Feb 2020, 15:41

Thanks.
Any links, etc, which can confirm that? My manager just refused paying these 3 hrs while on leave and I would like to prepare to the conversation tomorrow.

sylwana811 · Post by **sylwana811** » 28 Feb 2020, 18:40

Anyone, pls

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 28 Feb 2020, 19:08

If you are being paid SSPR you are not being paid Scheduled Attendance and you won't get it paid while on holiday.
You need to speak to your rep and find out why it isn't being paid as SA.
Your other option is to claim through ACAS and join the tribunal queue.

sylwana811 · Post by **sylwana811** » 28 Feb 2020, 19:38

I thought SSPR is the rate paid for the overtime over contracted hrs and up to 38 hrs?
So I think it’s correct these 3 hrs on the payslip appears as SSPR, as my contract is 35 hrs??? I’m lost here

Post by **aiden01** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:02

sylwana811 wrote:I thought SSPR is the rate paid for the overtime over contracted hrs and up to 38 hrs?
So I think it’s correct these 3 hrs on the payslip appears as SSPR, as my contract is 35 hrs??? I’m lost here

You are correct so you will not recieve those 3 hours while on leave.

Post by **aiden01** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:04

number one wrote:If it’s SA overtime (which it should be) the yes, you should be paid it when on leave

Why should it be sa overtime pts dont get paid sch att rate until over 38 hours.

world class male · Post by **world class male** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:08

as said, you do 3hrs overtime per week but not actually committed to doing it, therefore you won't get it when on leave
however you can fill in a grievance over "average pay whilst on annual leave" and eventually you should get it, think it's a 13 week average but only on your 1st 4 weeks leave
RM are relying on most people not bothering claiming hence they're onto a winner

Post by **aiden01** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:12

world class male wrote:as said, you do 3hrs overtime per week but not actually committed to doing it, therefore you won't get it when on leave
however you can fill in a grievance over "average pay whilst on annual leave" and eventually you should get it, think it's a 13 week average but only on your 1st 4 weeks leave
RM are relying on most people not bothering claiming hence they're onto a winner

Whatever happened to the tribunal cwu were taking on everyones behalf was supposed to be in january i think now nearly march

world class male · Post by **world class male** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:19

[/quote] in january i think now nearly march

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are you surprised by either party?
was it a 3 month maximum back date to claim, nobody seems bothered unless you go the diy way

Post by **aiden01** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:23

world class male wrote:

in january i think now nearly march

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are you surprised by either party?
was it a 3 month maximum back date to claim, nobody seems bothered unless you go the diy way[/quote]
Tried the diy lol but at that time never got anywhere as acas did not deal with people from ni. now they do but just like you say cant be bothered now as cwu in my opinion should have had this done an dusted.

world class male · Post by **world class male** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:38

they paused the process to allow meaningful talks on other issues last nov/dec
why they never started again once RM took the CWU to court i'll never know, but every passing week for those who hammered overtime in nov/dec and taken leave after "may lose" out, the CWU team still seem focused on twitter & facebook, why they can't ditch it and write to us i don't know?
as for NI law, i know it was a different process but not sure how

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:50

aiden01 wrote:
number one wrote:If it’s SA overtime (which it should be) the yes, you should be paid it when on leave
Why should it be sa overtime pts dont get paid sch att rate until over 38 hours.

Incorrect I think.
It appears on the payslip as weekday sch att @ sspr (p)

The pay rate is the same but the SA is paid while on holiday.

Post by **rogersh** » 28 Feb 2020, 20:51

CURRENT STATE OF EMPLOYMENT TRIBUNALS
EDIT;

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Due to the sheer volume of Employment Tribunals that have been lodged in England and Wales (it is estimated that the current number is around 2,000) a request was made by the Tribunal to extend the stay on these claims until 1st March 2020.

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In advance of this hearing and to ensure that we have a robust process in place to progress through each stage, the DGS(P) Department has arranged a meeting with the Legal Services Department and Richard Lozano (Unionline) on 11th February 2020 to agree next steps.