Dismissed for Christmas

[linksmiters]

Just recently been dismissed from Royal Mail and I am looking for some Advice.

I was doing a round 2 months ago when a collections bag with 3 keys and 11 pieces of mail went missing.
As soon as I realised it was missing I searched the van and I searched everywhere on the route with my partner.

I then rang my manager who came out to look for it but it was no where to be seen. My manager tells me not to worrie and that it is an accident, I return to the office where they put me on late callers till 6:30. 5 days after (as I was on leave) a manager takes me upstairs with my union rep and suspends me on the missing items
2 days after the incident the bag is handed in with 1 piece of mail and all 3 collection keys from a customer which they didn’t inform me

After waiting for over 6 weeks worrying about my job I had my conduct meeting with the Ops manager.

Saturday I receiveed my papers saying I am summary dismissed

Would the fact that they let me work late callers and lock up myself make any difference ?
Every question the Ops manager asked me he said yes after every question directed towards me, I felt intimidated and just felt like he wanted to just throw me in the bin.
There was apparently a phone call from the public relating to my case saying that they have seen a theft happen
This evidence was only brought up last minute as local management kept it to themselves for over 5 weeks and didn’t even investigate it or put it towards my case.
The Ops manager questioned the genuiness of it so basically discarded it
I’m absolutely gobsmacked I thought that it was a guardian angel

I have appealed and now awaiting for a date

I have rang ACAS and they are working with my rep which they have assigned an conciliator to the case.

Out of all this they never even interviewed my partner who had access to the Van.

I have been honest through out and now I am left thinking why was I so honest.

Has anyone here been infront or an appeals manager and had a positive outcome ?

So I sit here destroyed as a fellow Human... Diagnosed with depression, a wife who has got 2 weeks till she gives birth with my second child, 2 close people with stage 4 cancer and a mortgage hanging over my head.

Merry Chrtisrnas Royal Mail, You certainly do give a first class service to your employees wellbeing.

[chickenwittle]

Just recently been dismissed from Royal Mail and I am looking for some Advice.

I was doing a round 2 months ago when a collections bag with 3 keys and 11 pieces of mail went missing.
As soon as I realised it was missing I searched the van and I searched everywhere on the route with my partner.

I then rang my manager who came out to look for it but it was no where to be seen. My manager tells me not to worrie and that it is an accident, I return to the office where they put me on late callers till 6:30. 5 days after (as I was on leave) a manager takes me upstairs with my union rep and suspends me on the missing items.
2 days after the incident the bag is handed in with 1 piece of mail and all 3 collection keys from a customer which they didn’t inform me

After waiting for over 6 weeks worrying about my job I had my conduct meeting with the Ops manager.

Saturday 14th of December I receive my papers saying I am summary dismissed

Would the fact that they let me work late callers and lock up myself make any difference ?
Every question the Ops manager asked me he said yes after every question directed towards me, I felt intimidated and just felt like he wanted to just throw me in the bin.
There was apparently a phone call from the public relating to my case saying that they have seen a theft happen
This evidence was only brought up last minute as local management kept it to themselves for over 5 weeks and didn’t even investigate it or put it towards my case.
The Ops manager questioned the genuiness of it so basically discarded it
I’m absolutely gobsmacked I thought that it was a guardian angel

I have appealed and now awaiting for a date

I have rang ACAS and they are working with my rep which they have assigned an conciliator to the case.

Out of all this they never even interviewed my partner who had access to the Van.

I have been honest through out and now I am left thinking why was I so honest.

Has anyone here been infront or an appeals manager and had a positive outcome ?

So I sit here destroyed as a fellow Human... Diagnosed with depression, a wife who has got 2 weeks till she gives birth with my second child, 2 close people with stage 4 cancer and a mortgage hanging over my head.

Merry Chrtisrnas Royal Mail, You certainly do give a first class service to your employees wellbeing.

Sad story mate and I really feel for you , I just hope things work out for you in the new year.

[bigal383]

You shouldn’t be getting dismissed for something like this happens in my office regularly and a slap
On the wrist pal

Keep with the union and the best thing keep onto them

[barcajr]

You must be unlucky because people in my office have lost keys, pdas, even SDs, in the past, but never lost their jobs

[postslippete]

You've left it a bit late to get advice when you've just been dismissed!! Maybe you had got prior advice but the suspension is Royal Mail using the procedure whilst they collect the evidence or facts. Dismissal seems to suggest gross misconduct i.e. theft/intentional delay of mail or deliberate disregard of security procedures. Yet from what you've suggested it seems to be a genuine mistake and theres also the fact that they told you that they have got the collection keys back as well.

I've known posties who have lost collection keys, PDAs etc. and generally speaking for a first offence if it gets reported and they take action I think its usually considered and classed as a 12 or 24 month warning. Maybe for the unintentional delay of the mail and/or loss of Royal Mail property but dismissal seems to be very harsh - if its a first offence. I don't think the fact that you were asked to work late on the day in the callers office should have any bearing on the case in question as its not relevant.

Personally, in my experience of working for Royal Mail I did know of one guy who the managers had it in for and they tried to stitch him up with the intentional delay of mail and they did it by checking his bags after delivery for any mis-sorts of letters that had been brought back. Thankfully though his work colleague backed him up. The one thing that you did do is admit to the manager that you've lost them and it sounds to me like they have stabbed you well and truly in the back.

[linksmiters]

Appreciate all who have posted a reply, I am awaiting my appeals meeting which is in 2 weeks after been an month of moping and getting angry with myself.

I have had a bad run with my DOM for quite a few years as I defended a colleague a year ago and the boss got his way and he was also dismissed from fabricating lies against the person.

He treats me differently by letting others get away with things that he would conduct me in with in a heartbeat

Does this fall under the Victimisation legal act as I don’t hold characteristics for discrimination but I am clearly treat differently and would colleague statements proving that make a difference ?

Thanks everyone really appreciate it and hope you guys had a good Christmas and new year.

[yellowbelly]

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But might be difficult to prove if he's NOT conducting people for their behaviour - you're not being treated less favourably, they're possibly
being treated more favourably - but is that an offence?

[celtic1967]

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He treats me differently by letting others get away with things that he would conduct me in with in a heartbeat.......

Check out the ACAS website here https://www.acas.org.uk/if-youre-treate ... ly-at-work" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But might be difficult to prove if he's NOT conducting people for their behaviour - you're not being treated less favourably, they're possibly
being treated more favourably - but is that an offence?

That would be discrimination surely ? Treating someone better over another. If someone is being treated more favourably its logical to say the other is being treated less so.

[yellowbelly]

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He treats me differently by letting others get away with things that he would conduct me in with in a heartbeat.......

Check out the ACAS website here https://www.acas.org.uk/if-youre-treate ... ly-at-work" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But might be difficult to prove if he's NOT conducting people for their behaviour - you're not being treated less favourably, they're possibly
being treated more favourably - but is that an offence?

That would be discrimination surely ? Treating someone better over another. If someone is being treated more favourably its logical to say the other is being treated less so.

For something to be classed as discrimination (from ACAS):

By law, being ‘discriminated against’ is when you’re treated unfairly because of any of the following:

age
disability
gender reassignment
marriage or civil partnership
pregnancy or maternity
race
religion or belief
sex
sexual orientation

[celtic1967]

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He treats me differently by letting others get away with things that he would conduct me in with in a heartbeat.......

Check out the ACAS website here https://www.acas.org.uk/if-youre-treate ... ly-at-work" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But might be difficult to prove if he's NOT conducting people for their behaviour - you're not being treated less favourably, they're possibly
being treated more favourably - but is that an offence?

That would be discrimination surely ? Treating someone better over another. If someone is being treated more favourably its logical to say the other is being treated less so.

For something to be classed as discrimination (from ACAS):

By law, being ‘discriminated against’ is when you’re treated unfairly because of any of the following:

age
disability
gender reassignment
marriage or civil partnership
pregnancy or maternity
race
religion or belief
sex
sexual orientation

I stand corrected.

[postslippete]

Appreciate all who have posted a reply, I am awaiting my appeals meeting which is in 2 weeks after been an month of moping and getting angry with myself.

I have had a bad run with my DOM for quite a few years as I defended a colleague a year ago and the boss got his way and he was also dismissed from fabricating lies against the person.

He treats me differently by letting others get away with things that he would conduct me in with in a heartbeat

Does this fall under the Victimisation legal act as I don’t hold characteristics for discrimination but I am clearly treat differently and would colleague statements proving that make a difference ?

Thanks everyone really appreciate it and hope you guys had a good Christmas and new year.

No. Challenging victimisation on a legal basis generally comes under Discrimination via the Equality Act which yellow belly has listed whereas favouritism isn't. Its always best to record everything in a diary in these instances as you never know when you might need it.