Hypocrisy?

magicw · Post by **magicw** » 10 Dec 2019, 20:14

Has any other Delivery Office been instructed to Seg out the Postal Votes from COLOD and Collection S/As of all letters Tomorrow and Thursday so they can be advanced to the Returns Officer.

Surely this is removing mail from the Pipeline to effect the result of a ballot! Shouldn't this be a matter for a High Court Injunction

Janet Brum · Post by **Janet Brum** » 10 Dec 2019, 20:22

That sounds serious and illegal, what you mean by given to the Returns Officer? Never heard of such function in Rm?
And who has the time to separate postal votes from all the colod an SA collection???

ssdd · Post by **ssdd** » 10 Dec 2019, 20:24

Sounds like they are just wanting to make sure all postal votes get through in time

Dannybuca · Post by **Dannybuca** » 10 Dec 2019, 20:51

Janet Brum wrote:That sounds serious and illegal, what you mean by given to the Returns Officer? Never heard of such function in Rm?
And who has the time to separate postal votes from all the colod an SA collection???

The returns officer is someone who works in the local council to oversee elections. Nothing to do with us.

work · Post by **work** » 10 Dec 2019, 21:12

Janet Brum wrote:That sounds serious and illegal, what you mean by given to the Returns Officer? Never heard of such function in Rm?
And who has the time to separate postal votes from all the colod an SA collection???

and who is checking the checker?

purely to avoid any chance of bias/slant/negligence - as per the count. NOTE the majority of pensioners voting by post in suchshite weather/time of year and most of them statiscally proven to vote tory, it would seem in order to get the votes counted rm is prioritising the postal votes over other mail, thus intentionally delaying other mail as a consequence. the postal votes have been posted late: some would say too late to make the count which is the fault of the voter...not the fault of the pipeline system. to then resource purely GE MATERIAL is tampering with normal democratic process

and therefore should invalidate the ballot. maybe the union ought to film this and post on social media showing the rm management coercing a statistical tory percentage hike in postal votes making the return; at the expense of the normal mail

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it's a double standard in ballot protocol and rm has no right to intervene in democracy. a vote cast too late wouldnot be counted. rm have £30 million paycheck todeliver the GE via the USO. They have a legal duty of care yet to prioritise the GE business over and above SAME mail is intentional delay, requiring formal conduct...

I would argue gross misconduct and summary dismissal without notice Mr Back

. unless the GE postal votes are prepaid at ahigher cost/tier of postal integrity then Rico is breaking his Ofcom and rm conduct policy rules...effectively "cutting off" without consulting Ofcom first, and securing a few more (statistically) right wing votes - which he has simply taken on himself without consultation.
aye, that will be some massive profit laden and politically biased hypocrisy...and sack-able even for a first offence

work · Post by **work** » 10 Dec 2019, 21:25

it used to be called wilful delay...it is still a delay to other mail by taking it to the council after segregating it, someone is not able to do their 'normal' work. planning, resourcing and labour/fuel is being allocated to mail destined to fail due to normal busy pipeline...it is dodgy business practice AND undemocratic...those whom postal vote and leave it toolate should be using s.del/tracked sevices and paying more personally fortheir right to dither...not getting rico to ferry it through on the cheap and at the expense of other business. someone has made a dubious decision within rm as to securing a false outcome to postal service votes and blagging the system as to how busy thepipeline really is.

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 10 Dec 2019, 21:32

If your local MC has got their iLSM or IMP programmed to do so, they should seg most of them out there but some will still make it to the sequencing batches that cover a returning officer's office

hans solo · Post by **hans solo** » 10 Dec 2019, 22:42

weve been separating postal votes from all other mailings
i questioned this as well
batches could go missing

Post by **POSTMAN** » 10 Dec 2019, 22:48

I've heard it's a RM brief, from memory I'm sure it's happened in other elections.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 10 Dec 2019, 22:49

Might as well open them as well because sure as hell not in the system with the other mail is this how management control the flow of mail in the postal system or is this from upon high once again?

kookoo32 · Post by **kookoo32** » 11 Dec 2019, 16:15

Our manager announced today that if we have collections tomorrow then to look through the stuff and keep any postal votes separate. I don't think so. For one I haven't got time for that and two - if old Doris hasn't posted her ballot before today then it's her own fault. Also as others have stated it's wilful delay to advance the mail I think.

magicw · Post by **magicw** » 11 Dec 2019, 19:26

Laura Kuenssberg the BBC Political editor Let slip today that Tory Candidates had been looking at Postal Votes already ( there not meant to she added ) and things are looking shaky for Labour.

So this is basically an admission that Returning Officers in Tory Lead Councils have already opened postal Ballots ( ahead of time ) to give Tory Central office an Idea of how voting is going!

And the corrupt barstards , reckon we interfered with a postal ballot.

Tman · Post by **Tman** » 12 Dec 2019, 10:18

Bacofoil report sales of kitchen foil have increased by 100%, and the reason behind it is being cited as increased sales due to a spike in Conspiracy Theories, with the resultant demand for Bacofoil hats over the last few weeks.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 12 Dec 2019, 11:00

kookoo32 wrote: Also as others have stated it's wilful delay to advance the mail I think.

Read that statement out loud and then try to spot the glaringly obvious flaw in the logic.
If it is still unclear why that statement is palpable nonsense try asking a five year old.

Grumpyoldmailman · Post by **Grumpyoldmailman** » 12 Dec 2019, 16:46

magicw wrote:Laura Kuenssberg the BBC Political editor Let slip today that Tory Candidates had been looking at Postal Votes already ( there not meant to she added ) and things are looking shaky for Labour.

So this is basically an admission that Returning Officers in Tory Lead Councils have already opened postal Ballots ( ahead of time ) to give Tory Central office an Idea of how voting is going!

And the corrupt barstards , reckon we interfered with a postal ballot.

Postal votes always get opened the day they arrive with the council, they are however not counted though until the polling stations have closed on polling day.