30 minute flex

Jookgal · Post by **Jookgal** » 31 Oct 2019, 16:03

Can anyone confirm the most up to date policy on the 30 minute flex rule being invoked by a manager. Thanks

chickenwittle · Post by **chickenwittle** » 31 Oct 2019, 16:53

It’s totally your choice if you choose to flex or not regardless of what your manager says .

Jookgal · Post by **Jookgal** » 31 Oct 2019, 17:02

chickenwittle wrote:It’s totally your choice if you choose to flex or not regardless of what your manager says .

Thanks for that, this is what I thought, manager told the whole office this morning that he was invoking the 30 minutes , making it sound like we didn't have a choice and nobody questioned it.

glenfiddich · Post by **glenfiddich** » 31 Oct 2019, 17:23

hope you're all going in 30 minutes late tomorrow then

FirstPost · Post by **FirstPost** » 31 Oct 2019, 18:27

What's flex?

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 31 Oct 2019, 18:51

FirstPost wrote:What's flex?

From CWU Postal Delivery Members Handbook:

Point of Clarification on 30 Minutes Flexibility
The Agenda For Growth national agreement clarified the 30 minutes flexibility as:

Both parties re-affirm their commitment to the 30 minutes flexibility arrangements within the Pay and Modernisation agreement (2007). The following provides clarification of the agreed approach.

Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a 'swings and roundabouts basis'. Individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change. This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days. However this period can be extended by local agreement. A local record will be kept. Any requirement to change times of attendance or flex will take into account individual's personal obligations and responsibilities.

There is no other agreement in place between Royal Mail and the CWU that overrides or supersedes this statement. To be clear any hours worked before or after official duty times should attract the appropriate overtime payment, unless there is an arrangement agreed in line with the above.

(The above information is based on the CWU/Royal Mail National Agenda For Growth, Stability and Long Term Success Agreement.)

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 31 Oct 2019, 19:08

Counter the invocation of flexing by rolling more than 20 and calling Shenanigans.
Or invoke Area Rep with 10 points of invulnerability.

Jookgal · Post by **Jookgal** » 31 Oct 2019, 19:57

glenfiddich wrote:hope you're all going in 30 minutes late tomorrow then

We were told that we had up to 5 working days to get the 30 minutes back, and the day would be agreed by the manager

number one · Post by **number one** » 31 Oct 2019, 20:03

Jookgal wrote:
glenfiddich wrote:hope you're all going in 30 minutes late tomorrow then
We were told that we had up to 5 working days to get the 30 minutes back, and the day would be agreed by the manager

And did you accept this? Why oh why don’t people educate themselves and understand that policy

Jookgal · Post by **Jookgal** » 31 Oct 2019, 20:09

number one wrote:
Jookgal wrote:
glenfiddich wrote:hope you're all going in 30 minutes late tomorrow then
We were told that we had up to 5 working days to get the 30 minutes back, and the day would be agreed by the manager
And did you accept this? Why oh why don’t people educate themselves and understand that policy

I haven’t accepted anything, the 3 postmen I asked couldn’t answer my question and the union rep is off. Although he has been here before when this speech has been made and not questioned it

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 31 Oct 2019, 20:14

How many fell for the Dum's spiel?

'Agreed by the manager'? An agreement involves more than one person, 'imposed by the Dum' is nearer the mark.

Has anyone got the half hour back and walked in thirty minutes later one morning to find thirty minutes worth of work done for them? Nope, me neither.
"Boss,!? I've got less time in which to do my work so I'll be handing back at least a half hours worth"
I can see that going down well.

Don't flex, it's not worth the can of worms it will open up. Plus it deflates the screws' egos which is always a bonus.

Jookgal · Post by **Jookgal** » 31 Oct 2019, 20:20

Sir Henry wrote:How many fell for the Dum's spiel?

'Agreed by the manager'? An agreement involves more than one person, 'imposed by the Dum' is nearer the mark.

Has anyone got the half hour back and walked in thirty minutes later one morning to find thirty minutes worth of work done for them? Nope, me neither.
"Boss,!? I've got less time in which to do my work so I'll be handing back at least a half hours worth"
I can see that going down well.

Don't flex, it's not worth the can of worms it will open up. Plus it deflates the screws' egos which is always a bonus.

Thanks for your reply. I agree with what you say, I just didn’t know the rules around it and nobody seemed to question it at all. Just surprised me a bit that none of the long serving postmen questioned it.

JKSmudge · Post by **JKSmudge** » 01 Nov 2019, 16:44

yellowbelly wrote:
FirstPost wrote:What's flex?
From CWU Postal Delivery Members Handbook:

Point of Clarification on 30 Minutes Flexibility
The Agenda For Growth national agreement clarified the 30 minutes flexibility as:

Both parties re-affirm their commitment to the 30 minutes flexibility arrangements within the Pay and Modernisation agreement (2007). The following provides clarification of the agreed approach.

Where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, individuals may be asked and may themselves request to vary their duty times by up to 30 minutes on a 'swings and roundabouts basis'. Individual circumstances will be taken into account and total weekly contractual hours will not change. This means that individuals may flex their duty times by up to 30 minutes on any given day and this will be balanced either way over the next 5 working days. However this period can be extended by local agreement. A local record will be kept. Any requirement to change times of attendance or flex will take into account individual's personal obligations and responsibilities.

There is no other agreement in place between Royal Mail and the CWU that overrides or supersedes this statement. To be clear any hours worked before or after official duty times should attract the appropriate overtime payment, unless there is an arrangement agreed in line with the above.

(The above information is based on the CWU/Royal Mail National Agenda For Growth, Stability and Long Term Success Agreement.)

Leaves things open a bit - it doesn't actually state if we can turn down a request to flex.....

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 01 Nov 2019, 17:25

Ram/CWU agreements, as much use as bog roll and less absorbent.
The Plain English Campaign should be all over this s**t.
And have you seen the Overruning Deilvery Procedure......
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Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 01 Nov 2019, 17:28

FFS I can never get a video link to work

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