Xmas Hours

smartecosse · Post by **smartecosse** » 22 Oct 2019, 13:57

What are the actual rules as far as having to work extra hours and your days off over Xmas?

It's seems that it's being assumed by our manager that we will all work out days off as well as staying on until we have finished our round irrespective of how busy it is and if we want to or not.

I understand the need to help out and can be in an hour early and work about an hi our past my finish time but other than that I would struggle due to child care issues.

Surely if you are contracted for a set number of hours that is all that you should be required to work unless you actually want overtime?

Thanks

number one · Post by **number one** » 22 Oct 2019, 14:02

You don’t HAVE to work any extra hours or your day off

Superdude · Post by **Superdude** » 22 Oct 2019, 14:03

You never have to work over your contracted hours if you don’t want to. Simple as that.

Post by **rambo1** » 22 Oct 2019, 14:04

smartecosse wrote:What are the actual rules as far as having to work extra hours and your days off over Xmas?

It's seems that it's being assumed by our manager that we will all work out days off as well as staying on until we have finished our round irrespective of how busy it is and if we want to or not.

I understand the need to help out and can be in an hour early and work about an hi our past my finish time but other than that I would struggle due to child care issues.

Surely if you are contracted for a set number of hours that is all that you should be required to work unless you actually want overtime?

Thanks

You are correct . You do not have to work any overtime, at any time of the year. As for working your day off, of course you don't have to work it and also with everyone at work there shouldn't be any need to anyway cause all leave reserves will be at work.

Superdude · Post by **Superdude** » 22 Oct 2019, 14:11

Prior to commencement of delivery

On completion of their preparation, where an employee believes that they may experience difficulty in completing their delivery within the authorised time allotted,they should approach their manager as soon as possible before setting out on delivery.

It will be for the manager to discuss any problem and advise the employee what particular action should be taken, including the consideration of collection on delivery around associated post boxes to enable USO compliance.

When an employee has requested assistance on delivery, but the manager believes that assistance is not required, the decision, along with the advice given to the employee, should be recorded and associated with the daily traffic volume record.

The employee can have access to this record and may ask to see it prior to commencement of their delivery.

The employee should be encouraged to see their union representative if agreement cannot be reached.

Instances where there is a difference of opinion between the employee and the manager about what is possible during the shift will be looked at individually within the unit on the basis of factual evidence.

Such differences will be addressed prior to the employee leaving the office for delivery.

The employee and manager should agree a specified time to phone if full completion of delivery workload within the allocated time proves not to be possible. If it becomes obvious that the delivery may be a problem, the employee can contact the manager before the arranged time.

After commencement of delivery

Where an employee is prevented from completing their delivery for any reason, it is essential that this is reported immediately, either by returning to the office or by phone. A written record will be kept. All employees should be informed of the local authorised arrangements in writing.

Which is inside this joint statement on failure reporting...
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=78561

smartecosse · Post by **smartecosse** » 22 Oct 2019, 19:22

Great

Thanks for the replies.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 22 Oct 2019, 20:01

You do not have to do extended or work your days off if you don't want to.
In our office usually quite a few of us like to work our days off but if we are fully staffed then we may have to take some or all of our days off. This year we still have effectively three long term sick with serious medical issues so I think they will ask us all to work our days off once Xmas pressure weeks start if not before.
It's going to get really messy this year though if we have industrial action and maybe a general election as well. Predictions of early snowfalls are a possibility as well. Apologies for excessive doom & gloom.

work · Post by **work** » 23 Oct 2019, 23:16

Celgar wrote:You do not have to do extended or work your days off if you don't want to.
In our office usually quite a few of us like to work our days off but if we are fully staffed then we may have to take some or all of our days off. This year we still have effectively three long term sick with serious medical issues so I think they will ask us all to work our days off once Xmas pressure weeks start if not before.
It's going to get really messy this year though if we have industrial action and maybe a general election as well. Predictions of early snowfalls are a possibility as well. Apologies for excessive doom & gloom.

don't apologise...reality biting is not doom and gloom...if it gets messy then let the 'management' manage the mess

...they are getting paid for that (and a payrise backdated and a bonus - in advance) Grrr

Post by **CPTNemoUK** » 25 Oct 2019, 19:01

I really hope we have a general election. More time spent indoors prepping, less time delivering. Plus for a Brucie bonus I get too see the managers panic when I'm going home on time stress free.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 25 Oct 2019, 21:32

It's your choice for overtime. Some guys will take loops off other deliveries whilst some will do overtime on their own rounds. And then there are some who will leave loops and/or packets. Just remember that 90% of packets are tracked so if your manager asks you take your tracked packets,then you should really be leaving loops instead

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 26 Oct 2019, 20:23

Thank God yet another Postie has seen the light

Spread the word smartecosse as your DOM is obviously Bullshitting your Office if that is what they think.

I had a run in with my Reserve DOM this morning over 20 mins OT I had claimed earlier in the week.

I don't know if they've had some Diktat come down from on high .... To wind up their staff .... but it seems a pretty stupid tactic to me. We're going to be several Full Time Staff missing during the Christmas Presssure Period, due to Long Term Illness, Retirement & Resignation. And these Dickheads are winding Posties up?

He's been asking for Posties willing to work their days off. That's not the way to encourage a helpful attitude!

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 26 Oct 2019, 20:48

Dorset Plodder wrote:Thank God yet another Postie has seen the light Spread the word smartecosse as your DOM is obviously Bullshitting your Office if that is what they think.

I had a run in with my Reserve DOM this morning over 20 mins OT I had claimed earlier in the week. I don't know if they've had some Diktat come down from on high .... To wind up their staff .... but it seems a pretty stupid tactic to me. We're going to be several Full Time Staff missing during the Christmas Presssure Period, due to Long Term Illness, Retirement & Resignation. And these Dickheads are winding Posties up?

He's been asking for Posties willing to work their days off. That's not the way to encourage a helpful attitude!

Treat it like a parallel symmetry two lines of different thoughts with NO the default position and positive a cause for concern!

EdRush · Post by **EdRush** » 26 Oct 2019, 20:55

Correct me if I'm wrong..

Section 9.2 of my part time contract says;

"Overtime working is necessary because we provide a public service. It is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work overtime and attend at varying times of the day."

This means a manager can instruct us to complete, even it is after our finish time. This is called 'flexing'?

We must carry out the managers instruction, and complete the delivery, then if we feel aggrieved, we can submit a formal grievance the following day.

As far as Im aware, the managers can only reasonably instruct you to 'flex' once per week, and only ask if it is NOT a significant amount of work, i.e. +1hr. However I can't find this written down anywhere

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 26 Oct 2019, 21:24

EdRush wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong..

Section 9.2 of my part time contract says;

"Overtime working is necessary because we provide a public service. It is a condition of your employment that you are liable to work overtime and attend at varying times of the day."

This means a manager can instruct us to complete, even it is after our finish time. This is called 'flexing'?

We must carry out the managers instruction, and complete the delivery, then if we feel aggrieved, we can submit a formal grievance the following day.

As far as Im aware, the managers can only reasonably instruct you to 'flex' once per week, and only ask if it is NOT a significant amount of work, i.e. +1hr. However I can't find this written down anywhere

IT is written as 1/2 an hour but you should get it back the day after so on Saturday it is of no use it is a request not an obligation as such has fallen by the way side!