New part-time to full-time

DorsetPostie · Post by **DorsetPostie** » 31 Jul 2019, 18:25

Could anyone please advise on what (if any) RM/CWU agreement there is for people being made up from part-time to full-time hours. If so, please advise where this is written down.

Originally we were told that we would be on 38 hour (f/t) contracts. Now it appears we may end up with 35 hour contracts (is this a 'limit' being applied by RM for new f/t contracts?) with perhaps the additional 3 hours being paid as either Scheduled Attendance (SA) or overtime (O/T).

I understand that O/T payments do NOT count towards pensions. Is this correct please? Do SA payments count towards pensions? What is the standard SA rate please (i.e. not with any London weighting if different there)

Also, should we be paid the extra 3 hours (SA or O/T) when we are on holiday or sick (currently we usually work f/t hours but, when on leave, this drops to our contracted p/t hours). We have recently found out about putting in a tribunal claim for that. Where is the best place to find the latest CWU advice on how to do this please?

Any help / advice would be appreciated. Cheers!

itinerant · Post by **itinerant** » 31 Jul 2019, 18:39

A chap at our place was recently made up to full time and is on 35 hours (all full time roles are now 35 hours he told me).

Overtime hours do count towards your pension pay (at least it does if you are in the Defined Contribution Pension Scheme as I get an extra pension payment line on my pay slip whenever I do overtime).

DorsetPostie · Post by **DorsetPostie** » 31 Jul 2019, 18:51

Thanks for your reply. When I asked HR/Pay dept about the o/t payments counting towards my pension, I was told they weren't. Maybe it depends on which pension scheme you're in, though I'd be surprised if that was the case.

itinerant · Post by **itinerant** » 31 Jul 2019, 19:06

Do you know what pension scheme you are in? If you are in the Defined Contribution scheme (where you pay into your own individual pension pot that is invested) I am sure overtime is included as I get extra contributions (6% of my overtime for that week) paid in to my pension account. If you are on a different scheme overtime is probably not included.

I would ask on the Pensions forum as RobertT will provide a definitive answer. One thing to note though is, if the new CDC pension scheme ever happens I expect that overtime will not be included in your pensionable pay under that arrangement once it comes into effect (although this has not been confirmed as far as I know).

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 31 Jul 2019, 19:28

itinerant wrote:A chap at our place was recently made up to full time and is on 35 hours (all full time roles are now 35 hours he told me).

Nope, if he's on a 35hr contract then he's part time

neilgg · Post by **neilgg** » 31 Jul 2019, 20:21

If a DC Scheme member then pay for hours worked up to 38 a week if by overtime or full time is pensionable.

Post by **rogersh** » 31 Jul 2019, 21:22

No. 589/18

16th October 2018

Dear Colleagues,
Four Pillars Agreement: OPG 35 Hour Full-Time Duty Deployment
Colleagues will be aware that running alongside the 1 hour reduction in the working week from October 2018, the deployment/introduction of the OPG 35 full-time conditioned hours also commenced. The 35 hour arrangement is to support the flight path towards delivering a 35 hour gross working week (or the equivalent benefit) for all CWU grades in line with the terms of the Four Pillars Agreement.
Suffice to say we were mindful that the introduction of the new 35 hour week arrangement would not be without its challenges, both from a functional and operational perspective, hence why the Union has been pressing the business to agree and conclude a set of directives and/or guidelines to support its introduction.
Unfortunately, for reasons not attributed to the CWU, no such dialogue has taken place. It is therefore extremely disappointing to learn that various un-agreed guidelines and instructions are being circulated throughout the country. This has not only caused confusion to both managers and local representatives but in some instances is in direct conflict with the terms of the current National Agreement(s) the Union has with the employer that cover resourcing.
This situation is totally unacceptable to the CWU and is clearly outside of the Guiding Principles Agreement along with the agreed mutual interest approach to future challenges and opportunities that the Union and Royal Mail have signed up to. I can confirm that the Union is taking steps to rectify this situation at the highest level and restore a coherent and pragmatic approach to the introduction of the 35 hour full-time duties.
However, until we have concluded our discussions the following principals should be applied;
 All core full-time OPG duties should continue to be based on a 38 hour conditioned working week where operational hourage permits.

 In line with the terms of the Agreement, 35 hour contract holders (who can and are able to be aligned to cover a 38 hour duty) should be remunerated at single-rate overtime/scheduled attendance up to 38 hours, after which any additional hours will be paid at the appropriate overtime/scheduled attendance rate.

 If an individual who holds a 35 hour contract covers or commits to performing a 38 hour week core duty long-term, then either a variation in the contract should be agreed that covers the additional 3 hours, or alternatively the hours should be treated as scheduled attendance.
Colleagues are reminded that all matters relating to resourcing are proper to the IR Framework which includes the introduction and operation of the OPG 35 hour week duties.
Any enquiries in relation to this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department quoting reference 24000.

Yours sincerely,
Terry Pullinger Deputy General Secretary (Postal)
Ray Ellis Assistant Secretary
Andy Furey Assistant Secretary
Davie Robertson Assistant Secretary
Mark Baulch Assistant Secretary

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 01 Aug 2019, 11:31

SpacePhoenix wrote:
itinerant wrote:A chap at our place was recently made up to full time and is on 35 hours (all full time roles are now 35 hours he told me).
Nope, if he's on a 35hr contract then he's part time

Not anymore https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 15&t=89456" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the Joint Statement at that LTB.

1. With effect from 1st October 2018, 35hrs is the contract we will use for all future
full time OPG contracts (whether they be new recruits or part time uplifts from
existing employees).
2. Employees on the new 35hr contracts will be listed on PSP as full-time employees
but using a differe

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 01 Aug 2019, 11:32

That same link will also help the OP.

Redacer · Post by **Redacer** » 02 Aug 2019, 09:45

Can anybody clarify.

A contract of 35 hours which automatically goes to 38 every week for over 18 months apart from annual leave.

Should the extra 3 hours be classed as S/A?

Should the extra 3 hours be paid when on Annual Leave?