Anyone else noticed a quirk with sequenced mail

themailman · Post by **themailman** » 12 May 2019, 07:36

Mail gets sorted into correct running order even when it doesn't have a number on it?

i.e. John Smith lives at 30 main street in Anytown, but even when the '30' is missing, it still comes in order, even if there is no other letters for them.

norris9 · Post by **norris9** » 12 May 2019, 08:00

I guess sequenced mail is mail where a machine can read the address and put the mail in order. These are all digitally printed addresses. I wonder if RM can put a rule in place where you can only send mail which has a digitally printed address, then surely it would save RM a hell of a lot of time in sorting post, but then again would it cause too much hassle for customers and lose RM a lot of them.

People just need to buy a label printer. Maybe RM could sell them on their website and make some £££ whilst also saving sorting time.

Bernardson · Post by **Bernardson** » 12 May 2019, 08:02

It's not a quirk it's a result of AI remembering and storing information.
I hardly get any missorts in my mech compared to a few years ago.

themailman · Post by **themailman** » 12 May 2019, 08:56

Bernardson wrote:It's not a quirk it's a result of AI remembering and storing information.
I hardly get any missorts in my mech compared to a few years ago.

I didn't think RM was allowed to store such things?

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 12 May 2019, 09:12

Remember, as far as I know, there are people running these machines.

nightcrawler · Post by **nightcrawler** » 12 May 2019, 09:34

themailman wrote:Mail gets sorted into correct running order even when it doesn't have a number on it?

i.e. John Smith lives at 30 main street in Anytown, but even when the '30' is missing, it still comes in order, even if there is no other letters for them.

I’ve had this, but I still kill them off as “incomplete address”!

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 12 May 2019, 11:34

nightcrawler wrote:
themailman wrote:Mail gets sorted into correct running order even when it doesn't have a number on it?

i.e. John Smith lives at 30 main street in Anytown, but even when the '30' is missing, it still comes in order, even if there is no other letters for them.
I’ve had this, but I still kill them off as “imcomplete address”!

That's what I tend to do - seem to be less of them coming through now since GPDR happened, I think because
companies used to pass their customer databases to anyone they felt like and so incorrect addresses were duplicated ad infinitum.

Post by **Steve_claret** » 12 May 2019, 12:22

themailman wrote:
Bernardson wrote:It's not a quirk it's a result of AI remembering and storing information.
I hardly get any missorts in my mech compared to a few years ago.
I didn't think RM was allowed to store such things?

AI isn't a RM system. It is managed and run by Lockheed Martin.

Most address information including delivery points is now contained in the Mailmark barcodes. This is what the CSS machines will now be sequencing on certainly for DSA type mail.

max power · Post by **max power** » 12 May 2019, 12:55

themailman wrote:Mail gets sorted into correct running order even when it doesn't have a number on it?

i.e. John Smith lives at 30 main street in Anytown, but even when the '30' is missing, it still comes in order, even if there is no other letters for them.

Kill them off incomplete address

Post by **wacko74** » 12 May 2019, 13:17

max power wrote:
themailman wrote:Mail gets sorted into correct running order even when it doesn't have a number on it?

i.e. John Smith lives at 30 main street in Anytown, but even when the '30' is missing, it still comes in order, even if there is no other letters for them.
Kill them off incomplete address

Yep, I'm not having no uppity machine telling me who lives where on my delivery.

Post by **greengiant** » 12 May 2019, 19:57

Steve_claret wrote:
themailman wrote:
Bernardson wrote:It's not a quirk it's a result of AI remembering and storing information.
I hardly get any missorts in my mech compared to a few years ago.
I didn't think RM was allowed to store such things?
AI isn't a RM system. It is managed and run by Lockheed Martin.

Most address information including delivery points is now contained in the Mailmark barcodes. This is what the CSS machines will now be sequencing on certainly for DSA type mail.

What if the AI becomes self aware? Terminators as DOMS?

Spedley · Post by **Spedley** » 12 May 2019, 23:15

I think it could be based on a pattern matching algorithm - the more of the address that matches, the closer it gets it.
i.e. it will assign a percentage of reliability to the information, e.g. a postcode match maybe 70%, a Town match 30%, A street Match 40% and a name match 10%. That way an incorrect postcode but correct town, street and name would still get to the right address.
At least, that's how I'd do it.

norris9 · Post by **norris9** » 13 May 2019, 07:10

If you have any letters which not incorrectly written, eg. missing house number or house number that doesn't exist.....how much effort do you go to to work out which house it may be for? or do you just not waste anytime with them and just put RTS and put them where in the relevant dead slot/box somewhere at the depot?

If there is no return address - is that when you actually try to find the address it is for? and if you can't find it where do these go? as there is no sender to return them to. Do they still go in the dead's pile?

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 13 May 2019, 10:16

norris9 wrote:If you have any letters which are not incorrectly written, eg. missing house number or house number that doesn't exist.....how much effort do you go to to work out which house it may be for? or do you just not waste anytime with them and just put RTS and put them where in the relevant dead slot/box somewhere at the depot?

If there is no return address - is that when you actually try to find the address it is for? and if you can't find it where do these go? as there is no sender to return them to. Do they still go in the dead's pile?

Depends - if you're the regular postie you have a fair chance of knowing, cover duty/leave reserve less so. For me it furthermore depends what it appears to be -
obvious catalogues and marketing material get RTS'd. If it's 'official' looking mail you can't tell what it is and a regular postie is on within the next couple of
days I'll leave it for him/her bundling up with a laggy band leaving on the frame with a label out of a york or 739 saying 'Unable to ID DP' or words to that effect.
If I'm covering for a week or more it gets RTS'd regardless.

If there's no RTS you still stick a sticker on it. It goes to the Returns Centre at Belfast and I think they've got the right to open stuff to try and ID
the originator or intended recipient of mail.

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If they can't I think they destroy it securely. You're not allowed to open mail!!

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 13 May 2019, 13:11

greengiant wrote:
Steve_claret wrote:
themailman wrote:
Bernardson wrote:It's not a quirk it's a result of AI remembering and storing information.
I hardly get any missorts in my mech compared to a few years ago.
I didn't think RM was allowed to store such things?
AI isn't a RM system. It is managed and run by Lockheed Martin.

Most address information including delivery points is now contained in the Mailmark barcodes. This is what the CSS machines will now be sequencing on certainly for DSA type mail.
What if the AI becomes self aware? Terminators as DOMS?

Oh come on - self aware managers