Lapsing enablers

hans solo · Post by **hans solo** » 12 Feb 2019, 15:38

If manager preps roads and staff in early on overtime should we be lapsing duties

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » 12 Feb 2019, 15:58

Overtime should not be used to create capacity for lapsing!

yubin282 · Post by **yubin282** » 12 Feb 2019, 16:02

We have a similar problem in my office, blokes in early doing half the IPS on OT (the indoor work that allegedly doesn't exist anymore)

So the IPS is finished earlier, we get out on delivery earlier and we lapse most days. Absolute joke.

The blokes doing the OT need shot with s**t.

matt_1983 · Post by **matt_1983** » 12 Feb 2019, 18:55

Twice in past couple of weeks ive witnessed a manager prepping a lapsed job for over an hour and a half in the morning. Questioned DOM about it and he agreed it was wrong but did nothing about it.

hans solo · Post by **hans solo** » 12 Feb 2019, 19:14

so do we refuse to lapse if mgmt do our work to enable their bonus

Chalky13 · Post by **Chalky13** » 13 Feb 2019, 05:44

This is an interesting point, as we have the manager on our section regularly prepping one or even 2 walks and we have to lapse every day.

hans solo · Post by **hans solo** » 13 Feb 2019, 06:00

cmon union guys give us the answer
do we lapse or not if mgmt do our work to enable lapsing
only to benefit their bonus targets

Post by **osgoody1970** » 13 Feb 2019, 07:11

the answer to lapsing is, IF you have time within your duty time to lapse, then you lapse, but managers can not use one second of O/T anywhere else in the office to facilitate this, no bringing in people to sort mail, walks etc etc!!!

Post by **Navalron** » 13 Feb 2019, 08:32

Why is the union FAILING in so many areas these days. Or do they know/ think it's basically over and all getting ready with the life rafts...?

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 13 Feb 2019, 14:46

Imagine this scenario:
An office is 4 walks down due to sickness. There is no appetite to cover them on overtime.
So the DOM brings in people to advance the IPS so people can be out earlier and thus have the capacity to absorb the 4 uncovered walks.
The DOM is therefore protecting the USO.

Or would you rather the walks all failed to prove a point?

yubin282 · Post by **yubin282** » 13 Feb 2019, 14:50

clashcityrocker wrote:Imagine this scenario:
An office is 4 walks down due to sickness. There is no appetite to cover them on overtime.
So the DOM brings in people to advance the IPS so people can be out earlier and thus have the capacity to absorb the 4 uncovered walks.
The DOM is therefore protecting the USO.

Or would you rather the walks all failed to prove a point?

they can fail for all i care

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 13 Feb 2019, 14:58

Or:
The traffic is below model week and there is a lapsing plan in place that everyone is happy with.
Then 2 full timers go sick. They are not expected back for a week.
Do you pay 2 part timers overtime to replace the 2 on sick and keep the lapsing plan in place?
Or do you first of all lapse the 2 x 13 hours indoors and deprive the part time staff of any overtime pay?

Chalky13 · Post by **Chalky13** » 13 Feb 2019, 15:12

We lapse every dqy, some days it’s double lapsing and they’re talking of triple lapsing for the summer.

Only December is it a normal working month of just your walk, but then we get battered with paecels!

OT for IPS is given out 3 days a week at least. Today we had a whole walk out on overtime to 4 blokes and still lapsed

hans solo · Post by **hans solo** » 13 Feb 2019, 15:36

but MANAGERS doing our work that is the problem
how can they insist on lapsing surely if they prep lapsed roads they should f***ing deliver it
its their bonus after all
its like handling scab mail

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 13 Feb 2019, 17:23

hans solo wrote:but MANAGERS doing our work that is the problem

That is a problem for your rep.
That is what the IR framework is for.
Disagreement.