Do Hayes and Ward read this site?

[rebel]

It would be interesting to know if Hayes, Ward etc read the comments on this site. At least that way they would be aware of the emotions of a cross-section of members from all over the country and how we feel they have let us down. I have recieved letters from CWU trying to explain how good this agreement is. I rub my eyes in disbelief as I read.

We have been shafted. Looking through this site I can see many reps wanting to stand down in despair. What was the point of the strike??? How the hell can they seriously reccomend a YES vote?

Where do we go from here? Where does the Union go from here?? Will Hayes/Ward etc have a job in a few years time??

The NEC vote was 9-5, I hope at sometime before the next election the information of the names of the "9" are leaked.

Meanwhile I'm gonna get drunk before starting yet another overweight shift along with the rest of my totally demoralised colleagues.

[thexxxpostman]

i doubt they can read at all after what they just signed with crozier

[POSTMAN]

Yes Hayes knows about this site.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... php?t=7227

The problem with ‘royalmailchat’, is that its anonymity does not create an accountable debate. Nor does it seem to encourage the establishment of a serious policy for the members.

He's registerd on the site,i emailed him on the day he registered activating his account so he does not have to post to see the board.
Although he has not been on since he registered.

Ward i would of thought knows about us as well,but his CWU email addy is not on here,but that means nothing.

[POSTMAN]

With regards to the kind of users we get on here,we're just one big f***ing Royal Mail canteen!!
What you see on here is said no doubt in every canteen in a Royal Mail building all over the UK.

Need i say anymore about his comments on us!!!

[BELIAL]

It would be nice if Billy an Dave WERE immediately accountable for the decisions they have taken.
Censure ,deselection and suspension are words that spring to mind, as for annonymity ,well join the PEC an youll be accountable to no one

[Big Daz]

PEC are accountable, they have to re elected each year to stay on the PEC. Im sure when next years elections roll round they will feature this deal in their election address.

Some mbrs will undoutbedly be happy with this deal and want to return to normal. Shouldnt their views not be taken into consideration just as much as those who interpet the deal as a bad one? PEC vote simply reflects the views of the mbrs.

[andy2007]

It would be interesting to know if Hayes, Ward etc read the comments on this site. At least that way they would be aware of the emotions of a cross-section of members from all over the country and how we feel they have let us down. I have recieved letters from CWU trying to explain how good this agreement is. I rub my eyes in disbelief as I read.

We have been shafted. Looking through this site I can see many reps wanting to stand down in despair. What was the point of the strike??? How the hell can they seriously reccomend a YES vote?

Where do we go from here? Where does the Union go from here?? Will Hayes/Ward etc have a job in a few years time??

The NEC vote was 9-5, I hope at sometime before the next election the information of the names of the "9" are leaked.

Meanwhile I'm gonna get drunk before starting yet another overweight shift along with the rest of my totally demoralised colleagues.

Although I agree with everything else you said. I think that it would set a dangerous president, if the way individuals voted WAS leaked. The only exception, would be when people agree to something, and then try to back out at the last minute, to save face.

A possible example of this, is the leaked PEC document. Which says that certain individuals, only removed their names at the last minute (it's in another recent Thread).

Voting should ALWAYS be by secret ballot. If people choose to state which way they will be voting, then that is their choice. There are of course individuals who claim that they will vote one way, and then vote another, and should be exposed. But how do you do that, without risking the loss of secrecy for everyone?
It's a serious dilemma.

[dvbuk55]

It would be interesting to know if Hayes, Ward etc read the comments on this site. At least that way they would be aware of the emotions of a cross-section of members from all over the country and how we feel they have let us down. I have recieved letters from CWU trying to explain how good this agreement is. I rub my eyes in disbelief as I read.

We have been shafted. Looking through this site I can see many reps wanting to stand down in despair. What was the point of the strike??? How the hell can they seriously reccomend a YES vote?

Where do we go from here? Where does the Union go from here?? Will Hayes/Ward etc have a job in a few years time??

The NEC vote was 9-5, I hope at sometime before the next election the information of the names of the "9" are leaked.

Meanwhile I'm gonna get drunk before starting yet another overweight shift along with the rest of my totally demoralised colleagues.

Although I agree with everything else you said. I think that it would set a dangerous president, if the way individuals voted WAS leaked. The only exception, would be when people agree to something, and then try to back out at the last minute, to save face.

A possible example of this, is the leaked PEC document. Which says that certain individuals, only removed their names at the last minute (it's in another recent Thread).

Voting should ALWAYS be by secret ballot. If people choose to state which way they will be voting, then that is their choice. There are of course individuals who claim that they will vote one way, and then vote another, and should be exposed. But how do you do that, without risking the loss of secrecy for everyone?
It's a serious dilemma.

I think there will be a backlash for all those involved in agreeing to this deal. Rightly or wrongly even those opposed will probably feel a cold wind unless there is a declared interest in the election address.

[L Tommo]

IF YOUR READING THIS BILLY AND DAVE.....

GROW A FECKING BACKBONE AND DONT SELL NI.. DOWN THE RIVER.. and that goes for us to....


OUT :cfo :lfo

[Southsider]

Yes Hayes knows about this site.


He's registerd on the site,i emailed him on the day he registered activating his account so he does not have to post to see the board.
Although he has not been on since he registered.

Ward i would of thought knows about us as well,but his CWU email addy is not on here,but that means nothing.

Maybe they cant find their way around the site?.After all it wouldn't be the only thing they have had difficulty negociating lately.