SWW Dom and union rep says April

[arnold cheshire]

When is the next hour off? Our dim and rep told everyone April today in wtl

[worktotime]

October , 2% pay rise in April .

[arnold cheshire]

October , 2% pay rise in April .

Thanks the dim and rep are wrong . Why do they think it's April?

[zz666]

Because they're dim.

[Phantom]

When is the next hour off? Our dim and rep told everyone April today in wtl

It's down to the office, if the dom/rep think it's viable then it can be brought in early, the latest is October. I spoke to a area and divisional rep about this.

[worktotime]

the agreement was pay rise of 2% in April for f/t and p/t then oct f/t lose 1 hr then p/t get another pay rise , what the cwu said was the 35 hr working week could be brought in earlier than 2022 , but the way r/m are going we will be lucky to get the 1 hour off in oct , trials failing and they haven't a clue where or what to do next . but Terry said come 2022 we WILL be on a 35 hr week whatever , s**t hits the fan comes to mind ,

[Whysoslowyehcfc]

Terry talks bollox
Easier said then done, our office and I suspect many other offices are struggling with the 1 hour removed last time.
My area rep has already said he doesn't know how they will remove the next hour

[SpacePhoenix]

Terry talks bollox
Easier said then done, our office and I suspect many other offices are struggling with the 1 hour removed last time.
My area rep has already said he doesn't know how they will remove the next hour

Long term (in deliveries at least) it wouldn't surprise me to see the hour put back in permanently at some point

[Whysoslowyehcfc]

Terry talks bollox
Easier said then done, our office and I suspect many other offices are struggling with the 1 hour removed last time.
My area rep has already said he doesn't know how they will remove the next hour

Long term (in deliveries at least) it wouldn't surprise me to see the hour put back in permanently at some point

Agree with this

[Chalky13]

Who’s decision was it to cut the working week? This happened before I started.

[rogersh]

Who’s decision was it to cut the working week? This happened before I started.

The Four Pillars Agreement states;

13. Shorter Working Week.
Both parties agree that stealing a march on the inevitable is a key strategic planning need in employment security and that the Fourth Industrial Revolution should not be ignored. The pace of technological development is accelerating alongside the rate of change in the market therefore we recognise this may impact on traditional Royal Mail activities.
We jointly accept that shorter working full-time hours can assist in helping address a number of issues the business and its employees face around automation, resourcing, workloads, overtime and part time employment and our commitment to have a predominately full time workforce consistent with our existing agreements. Equally we agree that shorter working hours does not always translate into shorter working days but can be used to create inventive duties, structured in a mutual interest balanced way in regard to fair and manageable workload and efficient & effective duty patterns that fit future customer needs.
In the context of our shared vision to achieve the 35 hour working week it is agreed our joint commitment is that this will be completed by 2022, and before that date where further reductions are agreed in connection with technological and operation change and pay reviews.

The first hour is proposed as part of the current pay deal for October 2018 (outlined in pay section above with further detail in the functional sections below), based on achievement of the detailed enablers.
A further hour will be linked to the 2019 pay review as detailed in the pay section of this agreement......

New full time employees from October 2018, recruited either from existing employees or new recruits in the core OPG grade, will be on a 35 hour week at the current hourly basic pay rate with pro-rata allowances aligned to the current full-time conditioned hours. Additional hours performed through overtime or scheduled attendance for those employees on this new contract will  be paid at single rate overtime until the total hours worked align to that of our current full time contracted employees. This will be adjusted as we progress through the SWW flightpath

[The Postman]

When is the next hour off? Our dim and rep told everyone April today in wtl

It's down to the office, if the dom/rep think it's viable then it can be brought in early, the latest is October. I spoke to a area and divisional rep about this.

It can’t be brought in before October, it has to be a national rollout as it attracts a higher rate of pay to cover the difference from 38 hours to 37.

[Chalky13]

Who’s decision was it to cut the working week? This happened before I started.

The Four Pillars Agreement states;

13. Shorter Working Week.
Both parties agree that stealing a march on the inevitable is a key strategic planning need in employment security and that the Fourth Industrial Revolution should not be ignored. The pace of technological development is accelerating alongside the rate of change in the market therefore we recognise this may impact on traditional Royal Mail activities.
We jointly accept that shorter working full-time hours can assist in helping address a number of issues the business and its employees face around automation, resourcing, workloads, overtime and part time employment and our commitment to have a predominately full time workforce consistent with our existing agreements. Equally we agree that shorter working hours does not always translate into shorter working days but can be used to create inventive duties, structured in a mutual interest balanced way in regard to fair and manageable workload and efficient & effective duty patterns that fit future customer needs.
In the context of our shared vision to achieve the 35 hour working week it is agreed our joint commitment is that this will be completed by 2022, and before that date where further reductions are agreed in connection with technological and operation change and pay reviews.

The first hour is proposed as part of the current pay deal for October 2018 (outlined in pay section above with further detail in the functional sections below), based on achievement of the detailed enablers.
A further hour will be linked to the 2019 pay review as detailed in the pay section of this agreement......

New full time employees from October 2018, recruited either from existing employees or new recruits in the core OPG grade, will be on a 35 hour week at the current hourly basic pay rate with pro-rata allowances aligned to the current full-time conditioned hours. Additional hours performed through overtime or scheduled attendance for those employees on this new contract will  be paid at single rate overtime until the total hours worked align to that of our current full time contracted employees. This will be adjusted as we progress through the SWW flightpath

Thanks did the union members vote for that?

[aiden01]

Who’s decision was it to cut the working week? This happened before I started.

The Four Pillars Agreement states;

13. Shorter Working Week.
Both parties agree that stealing a march on the inevitable is a key strategic planning need in employment security and that the Fourth Industrial Revolution should not be ignored. The pace of technological development is accelerating alongside the rate of change in the market therefore we recognise this may impact on traditional Royal Mail activities.
We jointly accept that shorter working full-time hours can assist in helping address a number of issues the business and its employees face around automation, resourcing, workloads, overtime and part time employment and our commitment to have a predominately full time workforce consistent with our existing agreements. Equally we agree that shorter working hours does not always translate into shorter working days but can be used to create inventive duties, structured in a mutual interest balanced way in regard to fair and manageable workload and efficient & effective duty patterns that fit future customer needs.
In the context of our shared vision to achieve the 35 hour working week it is agreed our joint commitment is that this will be completed by 2022, and before that date where further reductions are agreed in connection with technological and operation change and pay reviews.

The first hour is proposed as part of the current pay deal for October 2018 (outlined in pay section above with further detail in the functional sections below), based on achievement of the detailed enablers.
A further hour will be linked to the 2019 pay review as detailed in the pay section of this agreement......

New full time employees from October 2018, recruited either from existing employees or new recruits in the core OPG grade, will be on a 35 hour week at the current hourly basic pay rate with pro-rata allowances aligned to the current full-time conditioned hours. Additional hours performed through overtime or scheduled attendance for those employees on this new contract will  be paid at single rate overtime until the total hours worked align to that of our current full time contracted employees. This will be adjusted as we progress through the SWW flightpath

Thanks did the union members vote for that?

Yes

[Chalky13]

So we can’t complain when it goes tits up?
Or is it more a case that RM won’t work towards a plan that allows for a shorter week with an increase in parcels etc so it won’t go tits up?