Annual leave .

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 03 Jan 2019, 18:36

hi can anybody explain how they work your annual leave out in hours on longs and shorts ? because its baffling me

is this a new national agreement by the way to do a/l ?

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 03 Jan 2019, 18:58

How can it be efficient to work out leave on longs and shorts? I mean lets just say you're entitled to 5 weeks or 38 hours x 5 weeks = 190 hours. What if it works out that you're owed 4 hours and 7 minutes? Do you tell the boss that you are only doing the sorting on a Tuesday for an hour or so and then go home leaving them to sort out the delivery?

I don't think its a National agreement to do annual leave this way; its Royal Mail trying to bend the rules to suit themselves and if enough of you kick up a fuss about it then it will revert back again.

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 03 Jan 2019, 19:16

its a joke mate .

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 03 Jan 2019, 19:33

Surely our contracts should dictate our annual leave? I'm sure mine states that I'm entitled to time off in DAYS rather than hours and minutes

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 03 Jan 2019, 19:51

I think it was changed from days/weeks to hours quite a long time ago. Our office changed it not long ago to hours. In theory it could or can mean that you could book a load of days on 'shorts' and get more days off work than you previously could. In practice we generally either want to or can only book whole weeks off so there could be some kind of excess. I think the solution to this is probably to keep carrying over any excess hours to the next year so you won't lose out and the pen-pushing skinflints in an RM office somewhere will be content.

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 03 Jan 2019, 19:52

postslippete wrote:Surely our contracts should dictate our annual leave? I'm sure mine states that I'm entitled to time off in DAYS rather than hours and minutes

are any other areas doing leave this way ?

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 03 Jan 2019, 19:54

The DOM at postslippettes DO may not have got around to switching it over to hours yet.

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 03 Jan 2019, 20:11

Yes we've changed to the hours system

Our leave sheets showed your holiday allowance in hours with a breakdown of what hours would be deducted for each individual day. Some people now find they are a few hours short of having 4 complete weeks.

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 03 Jan 2019, 20:16

postslippete wrote:Surely our contracts should dictate our annual leave? I'm sure mine states that I'm entitled to time off in DAYS rather than hours and minutes

Out of interest when was the last time you saw your contract? They change with every pay deal and the terms change when the pay deals are agreed

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 04 Jan 2019, 05:02

Celgar wrote:I think it was changed from days/weeks to hours quite a long time ago. Our office changed it not long ago to hours. In theory it could or can mean that you could book a load of days on 'shorts' and get more days off work than you previously could. In practice we generally either want to or can only book whole weeks off so there could be some kind of excess. I think the solution to this is probably to keep carrying over any excess hours to the next year so you won't lose out and the pen-pushing skinflints in an RM office somewhere will be content.

but it seems as though they are trying to run on 2 different ways days / hours and it doesn't work , so you are entitled to say 25 days a/l per year and you decide right ill book 4 weeks (20 days) and I will take the rest on a Tuesday which is a shorter working day so you get 7 days instead of 5 , do you think the powers above will say that's ok or you cant have them 2 days as you have gone above your allocation and are only allowed 25 days ? , because this is what seems to be happening . its got to be 1 or the other , imo.

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 07 Jan 2019, 19:21

If offices are allocating leave based on daily hours then don't forget come October were on a 37 hour week so any leave after October 2019 will have to be reissued with shorter hours ( Ie you'll be losing less allocated hours due to shorter shifts )

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 07 Jan 2019, 19:33

did the cwu agree to this way of doing annual leave ? all i can say is there must be summat in it fo r/m to do it this way ?

TheTrolleyMan · Post by **TheTrolleyMan** » 07 Jan 2019, 19:36

Ive heard of people having days carried over from the previous year / system and management trying to give them short hours ie.... 2 days carried over from the old system but only being given 2 Tuesday's hours ( Ie 14 hrs )

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 07 Jan 2019, 19:40

TheTrolleyMan wrote:Ive heard of people having days carried over from the previous year / system and management trying to give them short hours ie.... 2 days carried over from the old system but only being given 2 Tuesday's hours ( Ie 14 hrs )

nahh don't think so , but it does make a difference if you do longs and shorts as you wouldn't be able to take a longer day ie , weds , thurs , fri , sat , if you've only got say 7.10 left , which is s**t .

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 07 Jan 2019, 19:41

worktotime wrote:did the cwu agree to this way of doing annual leave ? all i can say is there must be summat in it fo r/m to do it this way ?

It obviously saves RM money and i don't think the CWU could argue against it, as much as i don't like the system you can understand them doing it