2nd job

STEVEUK2010 · Post by **STEVEUK2010** » 07 Dec 2018, 23:04

I Took on a 2nd part time job working Saturday and Sunday evenings only, I have now been told by manager I must either change my hours at other job or leave other job as according to him there must be 11 hours rest between jobs,

I have opted out of the 48 hour week, even though I am only contracted to 30 hours at rm and 15 and a half hours in 2nd job

My contract is 8am to 3pm, Royal Mail online says 2nd job must not involve working for a competitor (my 2nd job isn’t) but if I must allow 11 hours rest that means only hours I can work is 2am to 9pm on a Sunday, does anyone know if this is right?

danterossetti · Post by **danterossetti** » 07 Dec 2018, 23:09

Think when you're driving there are specified rest times between shifts

STEVEUK2010 · Post by **STEVEUK2010** » 07 Dec 2018, 23:16

I Am not a driver though, don’t even have a licence, I always do pair and share as the Walker

Jamie162 · Post by **Jamie162** » 08 Dec 2018, 02:10

All workers must have a 11 hour gap between shifts and 24 hour gap at least once a week or 48 after 15 (might be a few more or less) straight days

number one · Post by **number one** » 08 Dec 2018, 03:56

STEVEUK2010 wrote:I Took on a 2nd part time job working Saturday and Sunday evenings only, I have now been told by manager I must either change my hours at other job or leave other job as according to him there must be 11 hours rest between jobs,

I have opted out of the 48 hour week, even though I am only contracted to 30 hours at rm and 15 and a half hours in 2nd job

My contract is 8am to 3pm, Royal Mail online says 2nd job must not involve working for a competitor (my 2nd job isn’t) but if I must allow 11 hours rest that means only hours I can work is 2am to 9pm on a Sunday, does anyone know if this is right?

Your manager is wrong and getting confused. It’s an 11hr break between shifts in the same employment. This was brought in to protect the employees and to make sure they can have a proper rest. Nothing wrong with what you are currently doing. You could have two part time jobs of 4 hours each for example so then what? You finish one then can’t do the other for another 11hrs? You can do it but it just means royal mail can not force you to do it

maisymoo04 · Post by **maisymoo04** » 08 Dec 2018, 08:39

wouldn't off told no one so what if your trying to get a bit more coinage

Post by **rambo1** » 08 Dec 2018, 17:23

Why don't you just work overtime at royal mail? Don't know what your other job is but I'm guessing it must pay better or you'd be better off keeping it simple and just doing the extra hrs as a postie.

miles_peters · Post by **miles_peters** » 08 Dec 2018, 18:45

as long as it does not conflict with your contracted hours for royal mail, then you can get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th job, it has nothing to do with royal mail whatsoever as long as its not with a competitor.

its an outright cheek of RM to try and dictate what you do outside of your contracted hours. next thing royal mail will say is employees cant goto the gym, cant get on a plane cant cross the road incase it effects your job for RM. Do you 2nd job and ignore the twat who said you cant.

number one · Post by **number one** » 08 Dec 2018, 19:30

miles_peters wrote:as long as it does not conflict with your contracted hours for royal mail, then you can get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th job, it has nothing to do with royal mail whatsoever as long as its not with a competitor.

its an outright cheek of RM to try and dictate what you do outside of your contracted hours. next thing royal mail will say is employees cant goto the gym, cant get on a plane cant cross the road incase it effects your job for RM. Do you 2nd job and ignore the twat who said you cant.

This isn’t Royal Mail saying this, this is one ill informed manager

DrSatan · Post by **DrSatan** » 08 Dec 2018, 23:16

rambo1 wrote:Why don't you just work overtime at royal mail? Don't know what your other job is but I'm guessing it must pay better or you'd be better off keeping it simple and just doing the extra hrs as a postie.

Overtime isn't always available nor guaranteed so can't be relied upon

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 09 Dec 2018, 07:34

number one wrote:
Your manager is wrong and getting confused. It’s an 11hr break between shifts in the same employment.

I don't think that is correct:

Under the Regulations workers are entitled to 11 consecutive hours’ rest in any 24-hour period, a 20-minute break if the working day is longer than six hours, and two full days off per fortnight. Workers cannot waive these rights in their contracts. While the Regulations don’t clearly stipulate that an employer is obliged to monitor if rest breaks are observed across jobs, the commercial, health and safety, and personal injury risks of not doing so still exist.

Furthermore:

More importantly, if in the employer's view the number of hours being worked might threaten the health or safety of the employee (or of others), the employer must take all reasonable steps to remove the health or safety risk. This might mean instructing the employee to give up the other job, or reduce the number of hours being worked there (if that is reasonable). The priority should be to protect the health and safety of all workers by ensuring that no individual works such long hours as to be a danger to him- or herself or to others.

Post by **Murdoch** » 09 Dec 2018, 10:31

clashcityrocker wrote:
number one wrote:
Your manager is wrong and getting confused. It’s an 11hr break between shifts in the same employment.
I don't think that is correct:

Under the Regulations workers are entitled to 11 consecutive hours’ rest in any 24-hour period, a 20-minute break if the working day is longer than six hours, and two full days off per fortnight. Workers cannot waive these rights in their contracts. While the Regulations don’t clearly stipulate that an employer is obliged to monitor if rest breaks are observed across jobs, the commercial, health and safety, and personal injury risks of not doing so still exist.

Furthermore:

More importantly, if in the employer's view the number of hours being worked might threaten the health or safety of the employee (or of others), the employer must take all reasonable steps to remove the health or safety risk. This might mean instructing the employee to give up the other job, or reduce the number of hours being worked there (if that is reasonable). The priority should be to protect the health and safety of all workers by ensuring that no individual works such long hours as to be a danger to him- or herself or to others.

He's not over the 48 hours per week. There are many exceptions to the 11 consecutive hours rest period, for shift workers (or split shifts) for example.

If the manager is insisting on a person giving up a second job. I'd go straight to ACAS and get their input. As this is an interpretation by the manager, and not a clearly defined issue.

Royal Mail cannot have it both ways, insist on only giving out Part-time contracts, and then expect employees to only work for them. That would be a disgraceful practice.

Post by **rambo1** » 09 Dec 2018, 10:50

DrSatan wrote:
rambo1 wrote:Why don't you just work overtime at royal mail? Don't know what your other job is but I'm guessing it must pay better or you'd be better off keeping it simple and just doing the extra hrs as a postie.
Overtime isn't always available nor guaranteed so can't be relied upon

Suppose it depends on your off. Plenty of part timers are in early every day for sorting and work every one of their days of too. Guess we're understaffed then compared to most. Anyways, op as more energy than me if they can work all week as a postie then sat night and Sunday too! Lol.

Post by **rambo1** » 09 Dec 2018, 10:51

Typo, office. Predictive txt!

Post by **Navalron** » 09 Dec 2018, 11:26

clashcityrocker wrote:
number one wrote:
Your manager is wrong and getting confused. It’s an 11hr break between shifts in the same employment.
I don't think that is correct:

Under the Regulations workers are entitled to 11 consecutive hours’ rest in any 24-hour period, a 20-minute break if the working day is longer than six hours, and two full days off per fortnight. Workers cannot waive these rights in their contracts. While the Regulations don’t clearly stipulate that an employer is obliged to monitor if rest breaks are observed across jobs, the commercial, health and safety, and personal injury risks of not doing so still exist.

Furthermore:

More importantly, if in the employer's view the number of hours being worked might threaten the health or safety of the employee (or of others), the employer must take all reasonable steps to remove the health or safety risk. This might mean instructing the employee to give up the other job, or reduce the number of hours being worked there (if that is reasonable). The priority should be to protect the health and safety of all workers by ensuring that no individual works such long hours as to be a danger to him- or herself or to others.

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That can't be correct clashcityrocker, surely, as you have posted doing wally weeks, six straight days for five weeks in a row.