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SO THEY VOTED NO TO DEFEND US DID THEY??

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lovejoy
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SO THEY VOTED NO TO DEFEND US DID THEY??

Post by lovejoy »

The leading light of the vote No campaign Dave Warren cites his reason for voting no to the pay agreement as 'we shouldn't accept below inflation pay rises'

You may be interested to know that Mr Warren has this week voted to recommend a pay deal to our members working in the BBC postroom of 2.5%.

This is despite the fact an ammendment was put to the meeting calling for more pay??

Could it be that there were not enough votes at stake to fight for these members Dave??

I was calling for Dave to tell us why he voted no. I guess with the PEC elections around the corner we now know why.

Nevermind. There dies the last great socialist!! :Very Happy
IWW Fellow Worker
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Re: SO THEY VOTED NO TO DEFEND US DID THEY??

Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

lovejoy wrote:The leading light of the vote No campaign Dave Warren cites his reason for voting no to the pay agreement as 'we shouldn't accept below inflation pay rises'

You may be interested to know that Mr Warren has this week voted to recommend a pay deal to our members working in the BBC postroom of 2.5%.

This is despite the fact an ammendment was put to the meeting calling for more pay??

Could it be that there were not enough votes at stake to fight for these members Dave??

I was calling for Dave to tell us why he voted no. I guess with the PEC elections around the corner we now know why.

Nevermind. There dies the last great socialist!! :Very Happy
You came up trumps again with that one mate! Another fecking opportunist uncovered. He won't be getting my vote unless I see a very good reason why he did that.
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geopip
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Re: SO THEY VOTED NO TO DEFEND US DID THEY??

Post by geopip »

lovejoy wrote:The leading light of the vote No campaign Dave Warren cites his reason for voting no to the pay agreement as 'we shouldn't accept below inflation pay rises'

You may be interested to know that Mr Warren has this week voted to recommend a pay deal to our members working in the BBC postroom of 2.5%.

This is despite the fact an ammendment was put to the meeting calling for more pay??

Could it be that there were not enough votes at stake to fight for these members Dave??

I was calling for Dave to tell us why he voted no. I guess with the PEC elections around the corner we now know why.

Nevermind. There dies the last great socialist!! :Very Happy
Please please do tell how do you know how PEC members are voting???
lovejoy
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Re: SO THEY VOTED NO TO DEFEND US DID THEY??

Post by lovejoy »

geopip wrote:
lovejoy wrote:The leading light of the vote No campaign Dave Warren cites his reason for voting no to the pay agreement as 'we shouldn't accept below inflation pay rises'

You may be interested to know that Mr Warren has this week voted to recommend a pay deal to our members working in the BBC postroom of 2.5%.

This is despite the fact an ammendment was put to the meeting calling for more pay??

Could it be that there were not enough votes at stake to fight for these members Dave??

I was calling for Dave to tell us why he voted no. I guess with the PEC elections around the corner we now know why.

Nevermind. There dies the last great socialist!! :Very Happy
Please please do tell how do you know how PEC members are voting???
My rep is mates with the Scunthorpe manager and he knows someone who is dating a PA at HQ :Very Happy :Very Happy........... JOKE
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Stato
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Post by Stato »

What a complete contradiction from the great socialist Dave Warren, citing below inflation pay as his reason for campaigning a NO vote.

Come Election time i think it'll be squeaky bum time as to whether or not he's re-elected following this info!!! :pray :pray :pray
sol
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Post by sol »

This PA is certainly keeping you very well informed Lovejoy. The friend of a friend of a friend....

This has come from people who voted for the deal who are doing their best to discredit Dave Warren.

The chances are somebody from the PEC is posting on here, or at least somebody who is friendly with them.
These 9 are feeling the heat from the members and they are not very happy people.

Why don't you ring up your PEC members and speak to them directly. They are accountable to you.
dt123
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Post by dt123 »

Lovejoy, you might have supplied info that was quick on the table but the mask seems to be slipping.
The deal is a crock, be known for your own convictions and not the thoughts of those that choose to supply you.
lovejoy
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Post by lovejoy »

dt123 wrote:Lovejoy, you might have supplied info that was quick on the table but the mask seems to be slipping.
The deal is a crock, be known for your own convictions and not the thoughts of those that choose to supply you.
Come on mate surely you saw that was a joke? The friend of Scunthorpes manager?? Has he got any friends ?? :Very Happy :Very Happy

And Sol do you even work for Royal Mail????
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Post by BELIAL »

Well someone told me Billy Hayes has secured the nomination for a labour ppc post in Liverpool ,but it's just hearsay so I can't repeat it
lovejoy
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Post by lovejoy »

BELIAL wrote:Well someone told me Billy Hayes has secured the nomination for a labour ppc post in Liverpool ,but it's just hearsay so I can't repeat it

Yeah been flying around for ages now hasn't it :Very Happy
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Post by bigsharkboy »

lovejoy wrote:
BELIAL wrote:Well someone told me Billy Hayes has secured the nomination for a labour ppc post in Liverpool ,but it's just hearsay so I can't repeat it[/quote


Yeah been flying around for ages now hasn't it :Very Happy

somebody told me lil adam has donated all his bonus to the postman benevolent fund too :crazy:
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Post by BELIAL »

Yeah but I'm not gonna mention it without proof :Very Happy
sol
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Post by sol »

I've thought there was something fishy about 'Lovejoy' for sometime. He is very well informed that you have to wonder about who he is or what connections he has. So well informed in fact that after declaring he is finished with posting (under instruction from his wife and daughter) he gets so excited at a bit of new that he comes back. What for? To attack the only PEC member who has had the bottle to express his opposition to the deal publicly.

He knows who voted which way at a PEC meeting and posts the information THE DAY AFTER the meeting took place.

'Lovejoy' may not be a PEC member lurking on the site (though he might be). However, he is either close to a PEC member or is being used as a channel of communication by one of them. He has been repeating some of the arguments from some of the 9. One of his recent postings, of course, was a Vote Yes poster.

By the way 'Lovejoy', I'm a member of the GMB as I said in my first post. I've also said I've not voted in the poll on the deal since I thought it should only be CWU members who did (despite the fact that this site is not exclusively for CWU members) or else it would give a false impression of the balance of opinion.
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Post by Herodotus »

:crazy: I think it's a great pity .. if we all start seriously falling out .. on here ..the Royal Mail .. will love that. I'm all for healthy debate & a post like this .. from lovejoy .. will obviously invite responses but lets not treat him like some kind of outcast. I listen to lovejoy .. although not always agreeing with him. My own branch officials were extremely lazy in passing info to us Unit Reps & had it not been for him & others .. my branch members would have received .. next to zilch! I have successfully put both sides to my branches members & I believe that .. in our Outer London Branch .. we will secure a strong 'No' vote. I can vouch for the fact .. that he is who he says he is .. I thank him greatly for the information that I have received from him & shall always at least listen .. to what he has to say! :crazy:
lovejoy
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Post by lovejoy »

sol wrote:I've thought there was something fishy about 'Lovejoy' for sometime. He is very well informed that you have to wonder about who he is or what connections he has. So well informed in fact that after declaring he is finished with posting (under instruction from his wife and daughter) he gets so excited at a bit of new that he comes back. What for? To attack the only PEC member who has had the bottle to express his opposition to the deal publicly.

He knows who voted which way at a PEC meeting and posts the information THE DAY AFTER the meeting took place.

'Lovejoy' may not be a PEC member lurking on the site (though he might be). However, he is either close to a PEC member or is being used as a channel of communication by one of them. He has been repeating some of the arguments from some of the 9. One of his recent postings, of course, was a Vote Yes poster.

By the way 'Lovejoy', I'm a member of the GMB as I said in my first post. I've also said I've not voted in the poll on the deal since I thought it should only be CWU members who did (despite the fact that this site is not exclusively for CWU members) or else it would give a false impression of the balance of opinion.
Sol given 1. my soft nature and 2. I am mindful and in 100% agreement with POSTMAN that we should be fighting with Royal Mail and not each other I will tone down what i SHOULD be putting here

If you read my semi retirement post you will notice that i stated i will have to cut down not stop. You say i was excited at receiving this news? Not really i knew 2 days ago and just put it on last night.

I am not on the PEC, near the PEC nor do I have any connections with the PEC. My reps pass on info through the usual chain of command and if i hear something that i think other site members will be interested in i post it.

My post was not to attack Dave Warren. It was merely to highlight what has happened. Would you rather members were given a false impression of the truth? Is this how the GMB operate?

I note that you haven't voted in the poll but you certainly have had your say on a document and ballot that you (a) know nothing about and (b) has no relevance to you.

I am a postman and i post and reply to threads on here that i feel are relevant. Why do you post on here sol?

Our union may have made some mistake along the way but at least we're still standing and fighting right across the UK. The last i hear from the GMB was when they crossed our picket lines in Belfast and tried to get a recognition agreement with Royal Mail.

I have no motives when i post except to pass on information that interests me and i think will interest others.