Flexing

gunho · Post by **gunho** » 03 Sep 2018, 16:46

Is it real. 30mins over every day so when do you get that time back. Come on CWU put a stop to this intimidating tactics, we have a start time and finish time

Sir Henry · Post by **Sir Henry** » 03 Sep 2018, 17:06

Per day!? 30 minutes per week and given back within a week. You can guarantee you'll get it back only by coming in later on a Tuesday but not to a walk with 30 minutes of prep done for you. If they owe you don't do any more until it's given back.

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 03 Sep 2018, 17:21

And it is voluntary.
They can't insist you flex.

rehabron · Post by **rehabron** » 03 Sep 2018, 17:29

gunho wrote:Is it real. 30mins over every day so when do you get that time back. Come on CWU put a stop to this intimidating tactics, we have a start time and finish time

Why are you putting the blame on the CWU for going over your finishing time ? The cut off procedure was put in place by the CWU to put a halt to this so going over your finishing time is down to you and you alone. If you start taking 30 minutes of mail back continually you will find that your workload will be reduced or you can claim overtime. If you are incurring 30 minutes every day then it looks as if the swings and roundabouts flexible agreement cannot be used.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 03 Sep 2018, 17:34

rehabron wrote:
gunho wrote:Is it real. 30mins over every day so when do you get that time back. Come on CWU put a stop to this intimidating tactics, we have a start time and finish time
Why are you putting the blame on the CWU for going over your finishing time ? The cut off procedure was put in place by the CWU to put a halt to this so going over your finishing time is down to you and you alone. If you start taking 30 minutes of mail back continually you will find that your workload will be reduced or you can claim overtime. If you are incurring 30 minutes every day then it looks as if the swings and roundabouts flexible agreement cannot be used.

With all due respect for you and the CWU do you not think time marches on all well and good if you have 20 years plus in the business but new starts try telling that to your manager remember your on probation for the first two years!

The Postman · Post by **The Postman** » 03 Sep 2018, 17:41

k979aaa wrote:remember your on probation for the first two years!

Probation is 6 months.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 03 Sep 2018, 17:54

The Postman wrote:
k979aaa wrote:remember your on probation for the first two years!
Probation is 6 months.

And when can you have a full time contract?

rehabron · Post by **rehabron** » 03 Sep 2018, 18:13

k979aaa wrote:
rehabron wrote:
gunho wrote:Is it real. 30mins over every day so when do you get that time back. Come on CWU put a stop to this intimidating tactics, we have a start time and finish time
Why are you putting the blame on the CWU for going over your finishing time ? The cut off procedure was put in place by the CWU to put a halt to this so going over your finishing time is down to you and you alone. If you start taking 30 minutes of mail back continually you will find that your workload will be reduced or you can claim overtime. If you are incurring 30 minutes every day then it looks as if the swings and roundabouts flexible agreement cannot be used.
With all due respect for you and the CWU do you not think time marches on all well and good if you have 20 years plus in the business but new starts try telling that to your manager remember your on probation for the first two years!

I fully understand the predicament a new start would have while on their probationary period as they do not want to rock the boat and have their eyes set on a contract. Maybe this is an area where the union should be more progressive and monitor the new starts from being misused by management.

rehabron · Post by **rehabron** » 03 Sep 2018, 18:22

rehabron wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
rehabron wrote:
gunho wrote:Is it real. 30mins over every day so when do you get that time back. Come on CWU put a stop to this intimidating tactics, we have a start time and finish time
Why are you putting the blame on the CWU for going over your finishing time ? The cut off procedure was put in place by the CWU to put a halt to this so going over your finishing time is down to you and you alone. If you start taking 30 minutes of mail back continually you will find that your workload will be reduced or you can claim overtime. If you are incurring 30 minutes every day then it looks as if the swings and roundabouts flexible agreement cannot be used.
With all due respect for you and the CWU do you not think time marches on all well and good if you have 20 years plus in the business but new starts try telling that to your manager remember your on probation for the first two years!
I fully understand the predicament a new start would have while on their probationary period as they do not want to rock the boat and have their eyes set on a contract. Maybe this is an area where the union should be more progressive and monitor the new starts from being misused by management.

The work place coach should also take an active part.

rehabron · Post by **rehabron** » 03 Sep 2018, 18:52

It's obvious that a new start in the first weeks will go over their time due to unfamiliarity with the territory and be financially reimbursed for the extra time but unscrupulous managers using the possibility of termination of their probationary period like an axe over their head to pressurise and bully new starts to accept an unachievable workload is NOT ACCEPTABLE to the CWU.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 03 Sep 2018, 19:11

rehabron wrote:It's obvious that a new start in the first weeks will go over their time due to unfamiliarity with the territory and be financially reimbursed for the extra time but unscrupulous managers using the possibility of termination of their probationary period like an axe over their head to pressurise and bully new starts to accept an unachievable workload is NOT ACCEPTABLE to the CWU.

And I Agree with you on that thing is is the overrunning procedure fit for purpose in this day and age with LAT products and mixing and matching of duties esp when one has no control of prep or other factors should not the onus be upon the mangers and not the OPG to ensure the job is doable for want of a better word!

rehabron · Post by **rehabron** » 03 Sep 2018, 19:49

k979aaa wrote:
rehabron wrote:It's obvious that a new start in the first weeks will go over their time due to unfamiliarity with the territory and be financially reimbursed for the extra time but unscrupulous managers using the possibility of termination of their probationary period like an axe over their head to pressurise and bully new starts to accept an unachievable workload is NOT ACCEPTABLE to the CWU.
And I Agree with you on that thing is is the overrunning procedure fit for purpose in this day and age with LAT products and mixing and matching of duties esp when one has no control of prep or other factors should not the onus be upon the mangers and not the OPG to ensure the job is doable for want of a better word!

My personal opinion on this if you do your own prep and bagging you are off to a great start before you commence the walk.

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 03 Sep 2018, 21:27

k979aaa wrote:
rehabron wrote:It's obvious that a new start in the first weeks will go over their time due to unfamiliarity with the territory and be financially reimbursed for the extra time but unscrupulous managers using the possibility of termination of their probationary period like an axe over their head to pressurise and bully new starts to accept an unachievable workload is NOT ACCEPTABLE to the CWU.
And I Agree with you on that thing is is the overrunning procedure fit for purpose in this day and age with LAT products and mixing and matching of duties esp when one has no control of prep or other factors should not the onus be upon the mangers and not the OPG to ensure the job is doable for want of a better word!

The overrunning procedure is not fit for purpose.
What we need first of all is an accurate computer system to plan walks so they are equal.
Then we need a new overrunning procedure. If a postie returns past their duty time extended should be able to be booked without any hassle or sarcasm. This event should be documented by the manager and if it happens a lot then the walk should be tested to see if it is too long.

tommyrep · Post by **tommyrep** » 04 Sep 2018, 11:30

gunho wrote:Is it real. 30mins over every day so when do you get that time back. Come on CWU put a stop to this intimidating tactics, we have a start time and finish time

It's not the CWUs fault matey ! You claim the OT if you wish to work over your contracted hours.
Flexing up is YOUR choice and cannot be enforced. Time back within a week if you wish.
You need to stick up for yourself, managers will always push their luck and if you let them they will shiit on you from a great height. 30 mins EVERY day, lol, they are taking the piss big time.

Post by **PHARRY** » 04 Sep 2018, 13:26

tommyrep wrote:
gunho wrote:Is it real. 30mins over every day so when do you get that time back. Come on CWU put a stop to this intimidating tactics, we have a start time and finish time
It's not the CWUs fault matey ! You claim the OT if you wish to work over your contracted hours.
Flexing up is YOUR choice and cannot be enforced. Time back within a week if you wish.
You need to stick up for yourself, managers will always push their luck and if you let them they will shiit on you from a great height. 30 mins EVERY day, lol, they are taking the piss big time.

It is the CWU fault they never helped me when I worked for RM. when manger told me to flex 30 minutes a day