35 hour full-time contract

j1mmyc · Post by **j1mmyc** » 19 Jul 2018, 15:41

I’ve been informed I’ll be made up to full time in October but Royal Mail will only make people up to 35 hours now , now my problem is that I’m losing out on 3 hours a week which is fine when I’m there as I’ve been told I can have it as prep but when I’m off on annual leave or sick I won’t get the extra 3 hours, also the part timers will have some sort of pay rise as they don’t lose an hour so would I be entitled to this as I’m not really full time at 35 hours?

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 19 Jul 2018, 15:54

From what i understand from October 35hrs will be the maximum contract offered so it's a take it or leave it situation, personally i wouldn't rely on getting indoor overtime as they are/will be cutting that to the bone. There will no doubt be outdoor delivery work if you want to make up a few hours.

With the 1hr reduction in the working week p/t workers will stay on the same hours but receive a small increase in the hourly rate to compensate for not getting an hour reduction

j1mmyc · Post by **j1mmyc** » 19 Jul 2018, 15:59

Yea that’s fine, I mainly wanna know if I’ll get the small increase like the part timers? The way I see it is if and when the full timers are down to 35 hours in a few years time I’ll still be earning less than them for the same hours so surely in the mean time I’ll still be classed as part time until 35 hours is the full time hours for everyone

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 19 Jul 2018, 16:01

Yes anyone not getting a reduction in the working week will get it

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 19 Jul 2018, 16:06

A2B wrote:Yes anyone not getting a reduction in the working week will get it

To be clear everyone will get a 2.6% pay rise in October.

It's just that the pay rise for FTs is offset by the reduction in hours worked.

j1mmyc · Post by **j1mmyc** » 19 Jul 2018, 16:19

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
A2B wrote:Yes anyone not getting a reduction in the working week will get it
To be clear everyone will get a 2.6% pay rise in October.

It's just that the pay rise for FTs is offset by the reduction in hours worked.

How about delivery supplement if I’m getting made up to fulltime?

mickeymacca · Post by **mickeymacca** » 19 Jul 2018, 16:29

No it does n't work like that Jimmy, everyone's hourly rate will always be the same (new starters aside)

Its maybe easier if you forget about the hourly wage and just consider your contract as a ratio of the full time weekly payment

the full time payment will always stay the same (unless/until we get a 'real' pay rise)
but your proportion of that full time wage will increase as the the full time hours decrease

so say a full time earns £390 a week, you work 35 hours, so you work 35/39 =89.74% of a full time week
89.74% of 390 is £350

when the full time gig is 38 hours it still pays £390 a week for the full timer, but your contracts proportion of a full time week is now 35/38 =92.11%
so you will now be earning 92.11% of £390 = £359.21

and so on until the full time hours are 35 by which time you will be on parity with current full timers and be earning 100% of the £390.

So you will be getting an increase in October when the hour reduces because the ratio between your contract and a full time one will increase.

* I still think they're cheeky feckers, as a full time job now is 39 hours and so that should be reflected on new full time contracts, not what a full time contract will be in five years time

*hope this makes sense mate

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 19 Jul 2018, 16:31

j1mmyc wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
A2B wrote:Yes anyone not getting a reduction in the working week will get it
To be clear everyone will get a 2.6% pay rise in October.

It's just that the pay rise for FTs is offset by the reduction in hours worked.
How about delivery supplement if I’m getting made up to fulltime?

Yes, that goes up by the same amount. As does the SSPR element which includes DS for overtime. So if you are doing 39 hours now on a 35-hour contract, and when we drop to 38 - you will be paid the same as us.

The only thing is when you are on leave you'll only be paid the 35 hours as per contract, not the 38 you work on average. Is it wrong - yes, its one of the reasons I voted No to this deal.

mickeymacca · Post by **mickeymacca** » 19 Jul 2018, 16:45

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
j1mmyc wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
A2B wrote:Yes anyone not getting a reduction in the working week will get it
To be clear everyone will get a 2.6% pay rise in October.

It's just that the pay rise for FTs is offset by the reduction in hours worked.
How about delivery supplement if I’m getting made up to fulltime?
Yes, that goes up by the same amount. As does the SSPR element which includes DS for overtime. So if you are doing 39 hours now on a 35-hour contract, and when we drop to 38 - you will be paid the same as us.

The only thing is when you are on leave you'll only be paid the 35 hours as per contract, not the 38 you work on average. Is it wrong - yes, its one of the reasons I voted No to this deal.

I don't recall seeing anything about full time contracts in the interim only being offered at 35 hours, could well have missed it though. I'm surprised the Union are not all over this as it seems a perfect example of not being in the 'spirit of the agreement'.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 19 Jul 2018, 16:54

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I note it says from October 2018 so the OP may have a case if he takes it to the CWU

Chris413 · Post by **Chris413** » 19 Jul 2018, 17:50

So does this mean that from October my part time 35 hour contract will become a full time contract and as such all the benefits of a full time contract will be given to me?

mickeymacca · Post by **mickeymacca** » 19 Jul 2018, 18:43

Chris413 wrote:So does this mean that from October my part time 35 hour contract will become a full time contract and as such all the benefits of a full time contract will be given to me?

Chris there are n't any extra benefits a full time contract of 35 hours has over a part time contract of 35 hours, you are both pro rata

that's the point,

..... 'all full timers are equal, but some are more equal than others'

beanmuncha · Post by **beanmuncha** » 20 Jul 2018, 00:59

My point would be why are they not making you up to FT before October, if they can do it then surely they can do it in September
and save all the messing about. I know a few offices that are pushing for any FT positions to be done asap so as to get in before the 35 hour comes
into effect.

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 20 Jul 2018, 10:22

I think this is a grey area. Someone was made up in my office to FT 39 hours yesterday...

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 20 Jul 2018, 10:27

beanmuncha wrote:My point would be why are they not making you up to FT before October, if they can do it then surely they can do it in September
and save all the messing about. I know a few offices that are pushing for any FT positions to be done asap so as to get in before the 35 hour comes
into effect.

Bang on mate. Grievance it if your rep isn’t any help. Which obviously they should be, if not go tonarea then branch then HQ.