LONG AND SHORT'S

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 05 Nov 2007, 17:01

Just when you thought it could not get any worse here come's another abomination from royalmail!. How does it work you may we ask well here goes monday 8 hour's tuesday 7 hour's wensday 7 hour's thursday 9 hour's

same friday

well saturday not so bad then at 8 hour's well you get the picture. Now who will swap my friday for a tuesday anyone please what about sick pay or a strike day's cos we are gona have a lot of these!.

celerycelery · Post by **celerycelery** » 05 Nov 2007, 17:58

If thats the case then if your day off is thurs or friday you only work 39 hours for the week. Cant be right

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 05 Nov 2007, 18:29

celerycelery wrote:If thats the case then if your day off is thurs or friday you only work 39 hours for the week. Cant be right

It is called swing's & roundabout's it will cancel it self out if you go in next week but what if you are off on the sick on friday just the one day and then on leave will they take the one hour back?

mailman71 · Post by **mailman71** » 05 Nov 2007, 18:39

take your d2d's out on a tuesday and work to your time then they wont have any time to take back

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 05 Nov 2007, 18:48

mailman71 wrote:take your d2d's out on a tuesday and work to your time then they wont have any time to take back

You must understand this is not about working your present hour's it is about changeing contractual hour's on any given day tuesday 7 hour's and friday 9 hour's still 40 hour contract just shifting hour's on a day to day basis!.

crocodillapig · Post by **crocodillapig** » 05 Nov 2007, 19:20

WHY TAKE OUT DOOR TO DOORS IF YOUR NOT GETTING PAID FOR THEM

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 05 Nov 2007, 19:24

crocodillapig wrote:WHY TAKE OUT DOOR TO DOORS IF YOUR NOT GETTING PAID FOR THEM

If this get's in door to door will be the least of your problem's!.

crocodillapig · Post by **crocodillapig** » 05 Nov 2007, 19:43

i realise that i was just pointing out that we will not be getting paid for them which in my mind equates to on average a Â£25 per week drop in wages if that is not one of your biggest problems you must be in processing or something else.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 05 Nov 2007, 19:58

crocodillapig wrote:i realise that i was just pointing out that we will not be getting paid for them which in my mind equates to on average a Â£25 per week drop in wages if that is not one of your biggest problems you must be in processing or something else.

Let me tell you life is not all about money if it was i would be ADAM CROZIER no work and all pay!. but i have come to the conclusion that life is for living not about how many pound's i can acumulate in a week i do not mind working 8 hour's a day but 7 hour's one day and nine another you must be kiding me what kind of life is that belivie me this will come to your office soon be afraid be very afraid.

crocodillapig · Post by **crocodillapig** » 05 Nov 2007, 20:09

you wanna work eight hours a day for nothin go ahead mate but i would rather get paid for what i do in that self same eight hours. my arguement is about getting paid for what i do , i agree longs and shorts are no good for anybody but i will protect my earnings

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 05 Nov 2007, 20:28

crocodillapig wrote:you wanna work eight hours a day for nothin go ahead mate but i would rather get paid for what i do in that self same eight hours. my arguement is about getting paid for what i do , i agree longs and shorts are no good for anybody but i will protect my earnings

And good on you for you a right don't let them have a penny more than they owe you for you should read my pevious post's in this thread for you will find that long and short's could cost you more than you think and not just you. A week's door to door one lot = Â£ 8 one hour full time Â£8.13 an hour which you will lose if you go sick!

rebel · Post by **rebel** » 11 Nov 2007, 21:21

I agree wholeheartedldy with k979. And I will ask members to review this page in November 2008 and try to wonder why they wrote their comments.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 14 Nov 2007, 16:47

These are now being pushed in our office by the management but the good postmen/women are not haveing any of it we so far have stood firm and returned fire! FOR THE BATTLE FRONT IS HERE AND NOW!.

Razzamadazz · Post by **Razzamadazz** » 14 Nov 2007, 23:15

Firstly just to clarify, Shorts & Longs has nothing to do with the Variation of hours within the PROPOSED Pay & Modernisation Agreement i.e. varying duty start times by up to 30 minutes on a swings and roundabouts basis.

What Shorts & Longs is all about is a change to only your finish times to reflect the traffic profile, i.e. an earlier finish time on lighter days like Tuesday & Saturdays, and a later finish time on heavier days like Mondays Wednesdays Thursdays & Fridays. In theory it reduces people's chances of booking overtime against extended delivery on heavier days.

This is how it works

If you have a fixed day the length of your attendance could look like the examples in the pic below: (read from left to right, notice how the length of attendance changes if your day off is either a Tuesday or a Saturday)

However if you have a rotating day off it can get complicated as the length of your attendance has to rotate over a six week period, therefore the length of your attendance could look like one of the examples in the pic below: (notice how the length of attendance throughout the week changes when your day off falls on either a Tuesday or a Saturday, the blanks are your rotational days off)

WORDS OF CAUTION

Don't forget your Floaters covering rotational days off, they also have to follow the same pattern of attendance otherwise they could end up working more than their contracted hours of employment.

Don't forget your Reserves for the very same reason as above.

If your manager starts messing about with shorts and longs for rotational days off, make sure he/she has calculated the hours of attendance over a six week period, it must total to 240hrs.

Don't forget the PROPOSED Pay & Modernisation Agreement states that: "Total weekly contractual hours would not change." So that means for example, full time employees = 40hrs per week. No variations such as 4 weeks at 39:36hrs and 2 weeks at 40:48hrs.

Don't forget that the same principles apply to part time duties.

I hope this helps.

All this said, I still voted NO but there's nothing wrong in being prepared if the vote goes the other way.

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