VOTE YES POSTER

[lovejoy]

[saru]

Not a chance. I'm voting NO!!!!!!

It doesn't matter how much they juggle the words around, the deal still STINKS!!!!!

[DGP1]

Pay X
• 5.4% from Oct 1st
• £175 Lump Sum
• 1.5% from April 08 if agreed changes are implemented

Vote for a below inflation pay rise with our ESOS money used as a bribe (remembering RM made a big profit this year)

Security X
• MTSF, Conduct code, Attendance procedure safe guarded
• D2D agreement will go out to ballot – Significant move from Royal Mail
• Union Influence throughout document

Union sidelined by bullying management everything else ignored by management (as is what is happening now)

Pensions X
• De-Coupled from pay deal
• 60 Day legal consultation IS UNDER WAY
• ALL members will have chance to take part in most informed debate union has ever had
• ALL members will get a vote at the end of the consultation period

Final salary pensions gone and everyone to work until 65 as said by RM management already

Flexibility X
• Royal Mail have moved back from demanding 2 hour flexibility
• LET’S ALL WAKE UP – THE FLEXIBLE ELEMENT OF THIS AGREEMENT COULD BE NEGATED BY US SIMPLY DOING OUR JOB PROPERLY.
• NO CARS ON DELIVERY, TAKE YOUR MEAL RELIEFS, WEIGH YOUR BAGS, AND DON’T COME IN EARLY. If you do all of this there WILL BE NO ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY!!

Doing your job properly will result in action being taken against you (happening in my DO already) RM forcing you to finish your delivery (under threat of suspension) and not to book any OT for it (just bank it up for whenever it's light)

[center]Vote yes and get official sanction from the union to shaft all it's members [/center]
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VOTE NO [/center][/i]

[DirtyHarry]

If, a word I'm not too keen on when it comes to agreeing something with snides like Crozier.

1.5% IF change is implemented by Apr08. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

Having to depend on a multitude of idiots to do the job properly IF flexibility isn't to be introduced, thereby guaranteeing we do not receive the
full 6.9% pay rise. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

It's a massive thumbs down both to the deal, and the CWU leadership from me I'm afraid.

[lovejoy]

If, a word I'm not too keen on when it comes to agreeing something with snides like Crozier.

1.5% IF change is implemented by Apr08. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

Having to depend on a multitude of idiots to do the job properly IF flexibility isn't to be introduced, thereby guaranteeing we do not receive the
full 6.9% pay rise. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

It's a massive thumbs down both to the deal, and the CWU leadership from me I'm afraid.

Thats fair enough mate, just got it from poster in my office and put it up for a balanced debate. Also found the SWP vote no one and posted that as well - incidently that is full of equally as much spin as well!!! - if not more

[meweavy]

If, a word I'm not too keen on when it comes to agreeing something with snides like Crozier.

1.5% IF change is implemented by Apr08. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

Having to depend on a multitude of idiots to do the job properly IF flexibility isn't to be introduced, thereby guaranteeing we do not receive the
full 6.9% pay rise. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

It's a massive thumbs down both to the deal, and the CWU leadership from me I'm afraid.

Thats fair enough mate, just got it from poster in my office and put it up for a balanced debate. Also found the SWP vote no one and posted that as well - incidently that is full of equally as much spin as well!!! - if not more

those posters were at our office aswell today,i think all of them went straight in the bin,

lets just hope when it comes to the ballot ,more and more people are aware that if they sign yes for the deal,then we are all f****d...

its not rocket science its a straight no..

[DirtyHarry]

If, a word I'm not too keen on when it comes to agreeing something with snides like Crozier.

1.5% IF change is implemented by Apr08. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

Having to depend on a multitude of idiots to do the job properly IF flexibility isn't to be introduced, thereby guaranteeing we do not receive the
full 6.9% pay rise. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

It's a massive thumbs down both to the deal, and the CWU leadership from me I'm afraid.

Thats fair enough mate, just got it from poster in my office and put it up for a balanced debate. Also found the SWP vote no one and posted that as well - incidently that is full of equally as much spin as well!!! - if not more

Yeah, I took a peek at that SWP one, seems like they're more interested in having a chunk of our union's money to fund themselves with. The way I see
it, lovejoy, we've settled for too many naff deals in the past, deals that didn't match up to the sacrifices each and every member made at that particular time.
Just for once, the membership should reject yet another so-so deal, and together we should go for broke in an attempt to win ourselves a deal that we feel
justifies the IA we took.

[dvbuk55]

If, a word I'm not too keen on when it comes to agreeing something with snides like Crozier.

1.5% IF change is implemented by Apr08. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

Having to depend on a multitude of idiots to do the job properly IF flexibility isn't to be introduced, thereby guaranteeing we do not receive the
full 6.9% pay rise. Not what I sacrificed 8 days pay for.

It's a massive thumbs down both to the deal, and the CWU leadership from me I'm afraid.

Thats fair enough mate, just got it from poster in my office and put it up for a balanced debate. Also found the SWP vote no one and posted that as well - incidently that is full of equally as much spin as well!!! - if not more

Perhaps a more balanced debate would have been to publish both.

Actually I was eating a biscuit when I read it and almost choked. If I could just paraphrase:

"the sign of a good leader" - there has been NO sign of any leader before, during or after this action.

"Pensions X
• De-Coupled from pay deal
• 60 Day legal consultation IS UNDER WAY
• ALL members will have chance to take part in most informed debate union has ever had
• ALL members will get a vote at the end of the consultation period "

Nowhere does it mention the agreed procedure as notified to D Ward of the 12th Oct. Informed debate? Whats to debate it stinks BUT members will get a vote at the end of the consultation period - the wording smacks of duplicity - what will the vote be on? Agree or disagree OR either/or.

[stephen500]

Another view

[center]Vote YES In National Ballot

Pay X
• 5.4% from Oct 1st (not Apr 07)
• £175 Lump Sum (where's our £419)
• 1.5% from April 08 if agreed changes are implemented

Security X
• MTSF, Conduct code, Attendance procedure safe guarded ( no to be discussed )
• D2D agreement will go out to ballot – Significant move from Royal Mail
• Union Influence throughout document (union capitulation, more like)

Pensions X
• De-Coupled from pay deal (not what RM say)
• 60 Day legal consultation IS UNDER WAY (farce)
• ALL members will have chance to take part in most informed debate union has ever had
• ALL members will get a vote at the end of the consultation period

Flexibility X
• Royal Mail have moved back from demanding 2 hour flexibility
• LET’S ALL WAKE UP – THE FLEXIBLE ELEMENT OF THIS AGREEMENT COULD BE NEGATED BY US SIMPLY DOING OUR JOB PROPERLY.
• NO CARS ON DELIVERY, TAKE YOUR MEAL RELIEFS, WEIGH YOUR BAGS, AND DON’T COME IN EARLY. If you do all of this there WILL BE NO ROOM FOR FLEXIBILITY!!

Branch Position
It is never easy to recommend or reject a deal as major as this. YOUR representatives have voted unanimously to recommend a YES vote in the forthcoming ballot on the basis that we 100% back the national union and we feel now is the time to settle this dispute.

We have weighed up ALL of the factors and we are making an informed judgment call. It would be easy for us to point fingers and to call for more. Some people think the sign of a great union leader is how they get members to follow them onto the street for strike action. We feel it is equally as important to be able to judge when to call your members back in. For us that time has to be now.
IT’S TIME TO SETTLE AND GET OUR TEETH INTO THE PENSION CONSULTATION BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE

VOTE YES X[/center]

[jafferpants]

"Its time to get our teeth into the pension consultation before it's to late"

That my friends is the biggest load of bollocks you will ever read in your life read my lips

ITS ALREADY GONE!!!!!!

[L Tommo]

WOT A LOAD OF BOLLOX....


NOW THE PEC AND BILLY N DAVE WENT IN TO THE MEET WITH THE SCREWS AND HAD THERE ARSES SMACKED...

FAIR PLAY TO THE FIVE GOOD UPSTANDING PEOPLE WHO SAID NO....


Now i see the lies that RM have spun.... This bit on the pensions for a start no doubt others have seen the same bullshite....?

Here http://rapidshare.com/files/67142688/Co ... e_Call.mp3

Listen for the screw saying the yes or no vote is ALL LINKED.... ITS ALL OR NOTHING WITH THE VOTE...

Then the CWU HQ take on the deal is this.....

Pensions X
• De-Coupled from pay deal (not what RM say)
• 60 Day legal consultation IS UNDER WAY (farce)
• ALL members will have chance to take part in most informed debate union has ever had
• ALL members will get a vote at the end of the consultation period

I see the points made in red by Spephen500 and his points in (brackets) Are right.....

This is a fact... RM have a screw conference and this is what is said... Then The HQ think it means...????????


This is the deal CWU HQ and the numpty nine want us to say YES TO!!!!

BOLLOX... WAKE UP AND EARN YOUR POSITIONS!!!!

WE NEED STRONG PEOPLE ON THE PEC NOT SURRENDER MONKEYS!!!


OUT

PS This is what Billy wants...


= RM at CWU HQ AND US.....

:lfo :cfo NO FECKING WAY!!!!

[arsenalbob]

whether its a no vote or yes vote matters little to rm. the 5.4% will be in your pay the week after the ballot ends and the strings will be pushed through by ea. unofficial is the only way to go, but i think even this will only delay the inevitable. our pegasus man seems to think 5 hour deliveries are on the way, apologies to those of you that already do them.

[BELIAL]

So by inference BILLy and Dave think they are great union leaders.

Personally I think A good and effective union leader should be capable of taking overwhelming membership support and by astute use of tactics and determined negotiation succeed in securing improvements for their members ,however outrageous the assault on their jobs.
As for the rest of it ,it's already been said.

NO

[strangler]

"Its time to get our teeth into the pension consultation before it's to late"

That my friends is the biggest load of bollocks you will ever read in your life read my lips

ITS ALREADY GONE!!!!!!

Sounds like they already have taken a f***ing great bite out of it.
By the way I`d really like to know how this pension ballot (which we are so faithfully promised) will be worded.
A series of carefully worded options which all amount to the same thing, that being (as we know) no final salary scheme + you`re all f****d.

[davidessex]

whether its a no vote or yes vote matters little to rm. the 5.4% will be in your pay the week after the ballot ends and the strings will be pushed through by ea. unofficial is the only way to go, but i think even this will only delay the inevitable. our pegasus man seems to think 5 hour deliveries are on the way, apologies to those of you that already do them.

those that already do them choose to. they start early , skip their meal break, use their cars and are out of the office 5 hours before the end of their duty. this is where rm got their ideas of flexibility from.