saturday on deliveries

bowlesfan · Post by **bowlesfan** » 02 Nov 2007, 20:27

the joint statement says starting times goback to original times and length of day unchanged , as also stated on cwu leaflet dated 29/10/07. now my manager says we cannot start at normal times of 5 am. who,s right?
finally
VOTE NO
NO
NO
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NO

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 02 Nov 2007, 20:39

It's all to do with LOCAL AGREEMENT which we'll not get because management are nasty little Hitlers

DirtyHarry · Post by **DirtyHarry** » 02 Nov 2007, 20:49

disgruntledpostie1 wrote:It's all to do with LOCAL AGREEMENT which we'll not get because management are nasty little Hitlers

Then let's make sure we counter those "Hitlers" with "Stalins" of our own.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 02 Nov 2007, 21:27

DirtyHarry wrote:
disgruntledpostie1 wrote:It's all to do with LOCAL AGREEMENT which we'll not get because management are nasty little Hitlers
Then let's make sure we counter those "Hitlers" with "Stalins" of our own.

Our rep has more of the Petain about him that either Hitler or Stalin.

st postie · Post by **st postie** » 02 Nov 2007, 21:52

its every excuse in the book from these managers about early finishes on Saturday's, they are even trying to introduce a missort run, so they can keep us in until gone 900am, our rep hasn't a clue whats going on, they seem to change this s**t agreement on an hourly basis ,we had a letter from the union stating that Saturday's would be unchanged ,now they are telling us its a normal 615 start, and if you don't like it you know what you can do attitude ,we are going to get well shafted by these so called local agreements ,i can see it coming ,there are a lot of people in our office totally pissed off with this lot ,

vote no and tell the union this deal is just shite

drb · Post by **drb** » 02 Nov 2007, 22:08

Your Rep is just your mouthpiece.He won't know till you tell him.Then he'll learn.
He is no magician.His role is purely voluntary.No extra money.Help him and tell him that he has
100% support from you.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 02 Nov 2007, 22:21

drb wrote:Your Rep is just your mouthpiece.He won't know till you tell him.Then he'll learn.
He is no magician.His role is purely voluntary.No extra money.Help him and tell him that he has
100% support from you.

Our rep pushed forward the later starts (05.00 to 06.30) in October 2006. He's there because no one else will do the job. I know, because I was the rep for seven years before him and no one else put their name forward. He's one of the most self-interested men I've ever met and his former 'comrades' in the Labour Party would say the same if they posted on here.

bigsharkboy · Post by **bigsharkboy** » 02 Nov 2007, 22:26

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
drb wrote:Your Rep is just your mouthpiece.He won't know till you tell him.Then he'll learn.
He is no magician.His role is purely voluntary.No extra money.Help him and tell him that he has
100% support from you.
Our rep pushed forward the later starts (05.00 to 06.30) in October 2006. He's there because no one else will do the job. I know, because I was the rep for seven years before him and no one else put their name forward. He's one of the most self-interested men I've ever met and his former 'comrades' in the Labour Party would say the same if they posted on here.

im sorry IWW with the greatest respect as a ex rep if you got a problem then you or someone else should stand against him its not a easy job the reps only as strong as his members

from personal experience theres loads of guys willing to slag off reps but not put there own head on the block

not having a go as trust me i know plenty of crap reps and ex reps and things can only improve by people standing against them

Post by **POSTMAN** » 04 Nov 2007, 22:32

Deleted 32 yes 32 posts in this thread!!
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kinmad4it · Post by **kinmad4it** » 05 Nov 2007, 09:12

If this shoddy deal does go through we've no chance of getting our normal saturday times back. We were told it would be dowb to local agreement, but also it would have to be workable with the other office supplying us. If they don't want normal saturday times, then we can't either, regardless of if we do or don't.
And no doubt it'll all roll backwards from there too. If SEAMAC want their normal saturday times back they'll have to rely on someone else to agree to them too before they can have them. And what's the betting somewhere along the line royal mule get their way and shaft everyone.
This isn't even a deal, as a deal would indicate something was in it for both sides. This is just a festering pile of rotting dog poo!

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 05 Nov 2007, 14:24

bigsharkboy wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
drb wrote:Your Rep is just your mouthpiece.He won't know till you tell him.Then he'll learn.
He is no magician.His role is purely voluntary.No extra money.Help him and tell him that he has
100% support from you.
Our rep pushed forward the later starts (05.00 to 06.30) in October 2006. He's there because no one else will do the job. I know, because I was the rep for seven years before him and no one else put their name forward. He's one of the most self-interested men I've ever met and his former 'comrades' in the Labour Party would say the same if they posted on here.
im sorry IWW with the greatest respect as a ex rep if you got a problem then you or someone else should stand against him its not a easy job the reps only as strong as his members

from personal experience theres loads of guys willing to slag off reps but not put there own head on the block

not having a go as trust me i know plenty of crap reps and ex reps and things can only improve by people standing against them

As I was saying last Friday

I know what being the rep entails. I was hoping some younger bloke might stand against him, but they're either dickheads who don't do the job properly, or they're disillusioned with the CWU. Someone has decided to stand against him, and I wish him well, but he's even older that me and the current rep.

oxboy · Post by **oxboy** » 05 Nov 2007, 14:25

I know its hard but why do you think they would want you back at a 5am start not because it benefits you although for football and doing stuff it does.
No the reason they might allow a 5am start only on a saturday is because they can see how hard it will be to get anyone to stay on and do overtime as you wont be getting home till well into the afternoon and who wants that and what manager is gonna wanna take a walk out on a saturday.
I know its probably cutting me nose to spite me face but why let them change what they want to suit theyre ends no they brought this in let it stay un less of course they want to put mon-fri back to a 5am start.
Give and take means just that but i only see taking and well not much giving well they give you plenty of cr.p does that count....

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 05 Nov 2007, 14:28

oxboy wrote:I know its hard but why do you think they would want you back at a 5am start not because it benefits you although for football and doing stuff it does.
No the reason they might allow a 5am start only on a saturday is because they can see how hard it will be to get anyone to stay on and do overtime as you wont be getting home till well into the afternoon and who wants that and what manager is gonna wanna take a walk out on a saturday.
I know its probably cutting me nose to spite me face but why let them change what they want to suit theyre ends no they brought this in let it stay un less of course they want to put mon-fri back to a 5am start.
Give and take means just that but i only see taking and well not much giving well they give you plenty of cr.p does that count....

I know what I'll do if ever I've got something planned for a Saturday since these later starts came in. And since I've got a good attendance record, I'll get away with it too.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 05 Nov 2007, 16:41

There's what might be called a split decision in our office, some want a return to the old times and some would rather have a lie in. The agreement if it did come in clearly states that Saturdays would revert back to the original time, and if RM refused then it would be in breech of the agreement and you could, in theory at least revert back to IA.

To me though there is a simple solution; why should everyone start and finish at the same time? In our office the starts are between 5 and 9 during the week and Saturday. The overriding factor is getting the mail in sufficient quantity and in time for sorting by various starts - there is no hub run on Saturday so missorts are irrelevant. Those starting at 9 haven't finished throwing off before the 6, 6.15 and 6.30 starts have prepared their delivery consequently any missorted mail has "missed"

oxboy · Post by **oxboy** » 05 Nov 2007, 17:31

Another point then on saturdays as postpeoples hours have been absolutely torn to shreds would it not be completely acceptible to have managers stagger theyre hours now.
I mean surely there should be a manager when the first postie comes in and the last finishes his her delivery.
we have new starters that prob wont complete will come back on a saturday late with mail or even specials not knowing what to do.
And in true mamgers fashion they will pass the buck onto the new trainer what a laugh.